Hello, welcome under the skin with me Russell brand this week. It is it if Joe back in the the Joe back in is going to be guest on the poor cost. And, if that's the reason the EU to name then be assured. You're back in is a fantastic guess. He was to you survive I'd, say and Adam Adam its level Finca an american canadian Raw filmmaker professor, the Pisa, I allowed school of law of the universe, Eve. In Colombia. You know that book What was that film thy way without knowing the insurer you know corporation Psychopathic ever was that phone call a corporation. Is that what is called? an inch I, what kind of snow. You the corporal, we should not film race of says the corporations to psychopaths. He made that a brilliant film and now he's got a new book out called

the new cooperation, how good corporations are bad for democracies, release a document Shea film Vice or you can find out more about both job backin dot com is named Spout Joe. You know that bit b I came. I am job back and fantastic conversation, wonderful man, brilliant educate, I felt brighter and mentally stronger when the conversation was finished, so do check that out. Jenny, Jenny, Jenny, why I want to die because of this. The whole thing together. He was angry at me. Wouldn't, let me in the official I heard, and then you said you ve got to seek for lies in allowing mouth for something that really I was giving a compliment. I, how is that compromise ended. I choose right, true flies, cuz. He was wearing a mask, so I the space. Just? Would you like to face

MIKE what happened to guys as a version of it like a witness statement or what volume. because I'm too objective I forgot what did I say you idiot. How could I just like them within a mile? I would call anyone in it it s true, but you criticise more lovely? No, I didn't criticised it. You guys that it wasn't wasn't plus or minus any eager of the earlier. So you wouldn't No, I'm wearing it a useful coat with lighting and an as tech print at the pockets, and that the back running down the spine, I said Jane? What is this garment, she said nothing, for juice and then eventually she said, I wasn't expecting the back. that's what you said that you took offence,

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you you ve, started leading astrologer. I don't believe in anything, Nihilist Danes everything if you don't believe in Jonesy Song for every with. If the passengers should be near them out, crowd lifts people's moods. Rather than this sound Irishwoman dragon. standards exist. While she seems like me route with it, tree wrote come to life. You know like going to feel like maybe God, guarding the galaxy. Where serves a cheat tree roots come alive of Mps who grew happens? Holmes now you'll be like that a living like you would like it. If I said something that was true, couldn't you wouldn't trust me after those, whether things right your scepticism with their makes you rival Well done for being you and everyone listening well done for being you be a lot more you after you hear Joe back and educating you on the problems of modern corporations. Him

racing conscientiousness, but merely as a further marketing and advertising tool did you enjoy the episodes with Adam coasted Eugenie? Yes, because of its further It's yeah because you always the best face cause lovely. That's you dude. That was plausible by I do I know you re, being enormous. Anecdotal, try to be kind ever get is a moment's blushing. Relax edited better. Listen to this cause me out dressing. Anything in aggravated. The awkward silence is who are not left. Some of them, for some of them are to learn what instances where they will, when he went outside, to talk to him and he just didn't say anything yeah and yeah yeah. Why did he like that? he doesn't want to rise to publication friends with him, but would not know that

Maybe he's hurt the interest and he's not doesn't want to play into your game, I'm not playing into that camera. You have to have for what's next, I'm well here. Some comments: fitness dot, food feelings, fitness. I don't feelings ideas, never in short supply. It's the application, execution of knowledge in a beneficial way by competent and honest people, which is sadly lock lacking in the highest straw, is where those who will influence operate. That is what happened. Good comment, food dot, fitness, Darfur failings. who picked. This common me difficult. Believe glamour house underscore debt, refreshing dialogue and interesting and intelligent conversation. Thank you. I know knock a monarch. I you know, I'm why we being advised to grow our own food and live off grid, spread

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because many of your slow bruising tickly bruising as to Joe drawbacks, trying to achieve equality with the annihilation of category successful. That's exactly right! In this era, where it turns out, we were never fucking on walks beneath the surface of people, with more of the ideas that the finance on the welcome to Russell brand. The point I make is that there's better kind of two pronged strategy. The first problem has been over the last forty years. Big business has done everything it can to whittle down pushback forced into retreat and social, the social state, social programs, social government, or they push for privatization. They push for deregulation, so they push for a smaller and smaller

capacity of the state to actually serve the needs of the people and to regulate them. So on the one hand they done that, on the other hand, they said, and by the way were good now, so we can take over those rules that the diminished state used to run by their schools or water systems or whatever. So that's been the two pronged attack, so that the shouting themselves, in goodness, has been very much part of a deliberate strategy to sort of finished the work of taking over everything any done. They've done a very good job at it, and I think that the point when I realized that I was shooting, with a crew and in Davos, Switzerland, at the big sort, Davos World Economic Forum thing in twenty eighteen and I caught a guy- need Richard out on men in the town square, and I had my camera operator, and so we did an interview on the plot. Richard Adelman is like probably the world's most

well known and influential business guru he's the guy that corporations pay tons of money to to explain to them what's happening, and he also has a big believer. That corporations should be good should embrace purpose should do the right thing. All that kind of stuff, and so the way he put it to me is a corporation- are good actors now, so they can filled the voids left by retreating governments. Now, of course, the reason governments are retreating as because corporations have pushed them enter a treat, Dave, lobbied, Dave Influence had done everything they can to drive down tax

regulation, and all of that so now that they're in retreat corporation step in and say, okay we'll solve the problem. They don't work anymore so we'll take over, but then I said to him: well what happened to democracy, because, whatever else you might say about corporations they're, not democratic institutions- and this is what he said to me and it's direct quotes and the film it's in the book and it's showing he said I cause. This is the good guy of corporate capitalism. He said I'm not much of a believer in political citizenship, I believe in the power of the marketplace. Now, that's something Maggie Thatcher wanted

said, but the thing is when it said in Davos, in two thousand in two thousand and eighteen by Richard Arrow men, it sounds really nice and fluffy and good, because now corporations are good, and so I have political citizenship, not really working. You know. So, just let us run things will do much better and more efficiently, and I think that is the mentality that is happening within this home movement that talks about corporations being great good actors now sustainable, socially responsible. All of that about that's really cool, I wonder how it aligns with the recent movement by Neo, liberals, specifically, the? U DOT S Democrat Party from a car

if a socially conscientious working class or in aid, wealth distribution fix, say it model of politics, don't last for ever been particularly prominent in US politics. I acknowledge towards a kind of a social justice of motif, lead, doubtlessly addressing so many important issues, but perhaps neglecting the kind of obligations of citizenship or at least creation of parameters, physician ship that yet a man, s of said, was kind of arrest, them. You know it seems there there's nowhere really like there's. No, equal pay- that canning good faith, make a counter argument because they flew both, in the case, Morocco, an old in a few other countries belong. Been owned by the interests that you're describing jobs

They are mainly the end of the book and film sort of showcase examples of politicians who try to break out of that NEO liberal mode. We went over to Barcelona and talk to the mayor. Their outer coehlo. We look. We we feature Bernie Sanders a little bad. We looked at China is the want of socialist City councillor in Seattle. So we we acknowledge that the problem is that the traditional parties of the quota laughter, the progressive parties, whether it sir I mean labour in britain- is complicated carbon. You know, maybe as somebody trying to go in and on the illiberal direction, but for the most part, the parties of the left in Europe a round the world, Canada, the United States, if you could ever called the Democratic Party, a party of the left have kind of abandoned their

class routes and some people say? Oh well, that's a good thing because now they're embracing broader identities and going more in the identity, politics staying and that's a good thing, because those things need to be recognized and their absolutely right. Those things do need to be recognized. But would also needs to be recognised, and what isn't being recognise is that those things are intrinsically woven into class near and and that, for me, the the ultimate victory of NEO liberalism is that it has extinguish class consciousness. English class as an analytical tool in the academy, and it's been able And it can do that, because cap doesn't really care about. You know gender

All these issues have historically been part of. What's help generate, capital is exploiting gender exporting grace. All of that, but capital today can be quite magnanimous about Quality so long as it does in attack its class position. Well, though, if you bake in, if you make class invisible, you can recognise all qualities as long as you don't recognize, their intrinsic connections to class and that's what's happened in mainstream progressive politics is class, has been evaporated and that's why companies like Amazon or Jamie Diamond, a J p Morgan Chase can come in now as heroes and savers and say hey. We believe inequality because term quality no longer encompasses the profound I've been having the class position. They have thus cool a things. First of the bat

sorry that I'm the person to tell you that Jeremy Corbyn has been replaced by centrist lawyer as of the Labour Party, and I got here but there, but there was a moment right and just like in the United States, even though, sanders didn't yet succeed. there was a moment where you saw maybe a glimmering of a counter. Neo liberal kind of politics happening, a mainstream. Yes, and in both cases it was interesting how this house party, we could call like energy so of attacked by idea dear vehemently, using so fastening in tropes to isolate, discredit and ultimately and annihilate those figures, though so, if Bernie's been,

pause it into this of new tit avuncular role? It seems now sat and he's. Mittens is a sofa reminder, assess the relentless march continues forth a lot. We sit there about the Magna Manatee of corporations around equality. They extracted from essentially from economic, given the economic system of palpably and most play me, their rise on data and them the only reason for existing, and I was wondering what you thought about the kind of like a wild, these s of movements around a quality if Bain taking place which can be bought it on to cooperate brand identities. You know so like a round the soul of the horrors of them murder of George Floyd in this subsequent black live matter revival. Explosion. The participation of corporations in that movement was notable.

I'm always myself, I suppose was of my age and covering spears, is experiences of hats, of cynical about anything that can be lucky lucky if in our country? When I see Boris, Johnson and Prince Charles applauding for the NHS I'm immediately like whoa, if they're into it- like- I don't know how this can be, she obviously is no problem. So obviously not it's not an attack on the you know on the one vulnerable point that I, is put in the deaf staff in a narrative reasons about her, but like him, I feel, this demonize action, if the working class, which is so, I think, pot like lead to the rise of Trump ISM bricks, it gives a

Perhaps Q unknown eirik see now as an accompaniment to the rise of identity, politics and the ability of a tendency politics to be both it on corporate and is in a way that you can do with peoples whose identities are inherently derive from class. I mean here so crazy thing. It's it's the well! Let me address a few points there, because there are a lot of first one of you, a right to be cynical about the posturing. I mean Amazon is talking about black lives matter, while at the same time, busting unions primarily being put together by workers who are people of color African Americans in the United States and other people of color in highly exploitative conditions in conditions where their unsafe, due to the pandemic, they're trying to form unions, they're, they're, trying to say something, they're getting.

Fired for doing that. Their working in her renders slave like conditions there having any minimal employment standards that are provided them by law evaded avoided, squelch lobbied against. So it is just absolute. It's hard to be tired to be to Senegal and that's a very sad thing, but it's hard to be too cynical when corporations on these band wagons or or gender or or or any of them in, and the trick is always the way that they separate the issue from class relations from work If they don't say you know, Amazon doesn't say: hey we care about african american people, so we're going

raise the wages of our warehouse employees and stop trying to bust their unions the day that they do that I'll. You know the day that that that Johnson and Prince Charles say hey, you know what the any is really going to ship because it's not properly funded. So let's raise corporate. access by twenty three percent. You know, let's, let's make sure that corporations and wealthy people provide what they should be providing so that we can have a decent healthcare system when they do that and when Jeff Bezos you know says: hey. I want my employees to union ice. Then we should have this chat again, because I may be a little bit less cynical and you may be too That's right! That's not going to happen if you're enjoying this conversation join me over luminary for the rest of our discussion

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