One vote away, Joe Biden, Shucks humor. Democrats were one vote away from passing the massive two trillion dollars spending spree package the build back better plan. The Republicans were against it. The damage, wherefore it and then that West Virginia Senator Democrat Joe Mansion, said no no to the package, a major win, no major legislative achievement for President Biden in his first year, but lots of scary stuff around the corner. Nonetheless, this is TED groups want to back the vertical

Bruce. I Michael Knolls and lives before we get all that scary stuff around the corner that President Biden can do outside of the Congress. Tell us about some happy stuff. This Christmas season, doesnt have seventeen. The happiest of that I can think of. It are merged sale which we extended drew January fifteen. So if you want to sport, when others sweet sweet, cactus hat, you can now get that for just twenty percent off the regular price. If you use the promo code, cheers. As I said, this sale has been extended to January fifteen, so Christmas, not new year's January fifteenth and Michael. This is actually really important to talk about this year because it might be ending on this high note with Joe Biden. Bill, back better package being torpedoed by Senator Joe Mansion, but that hasn't been the entire? here. The entire year has been a series of victories for Joe Biden. If you're thinking from Joe Biden Perspective, Joe Mansion might just put, might just put a top around the end of it.

You're so senator you're, the only person in this room who happens to know Joe Mansion, I dont think any of us were expecting him to actually side with the Republicans say no to the present in his own party. What happened? Well it it's a bit deal, and I will say Joe has surprised me all year long yet understand romantic Joe Mansion is from West Virginia Oh is a likeable ease and affable guy. Every one knows Joe likes ease, they going he slapped beyond the back. He was a ballplayer West Virginia. He was a college football player. He was Jacques. Ah me was Governor West Virginia among Democrats he is the most moderate of the Democrats. He is the closest to a centrist among the Democrats. and yet I have to say this past year. Joe has astonished me, you don't you know what arrived at the Senate. now nine years ago, beginning of twenty third

remember Jim Dammit pulled me aside. He said TED Joe is like a purple unicorn. He will always always be with you right until the, When you need it, and that was the path. Consistently witches that mansion. somebody who, if we had fifty one votes, you could get a fifty second. He could make it by partisan so, for example, Red Cavanaugh was confirmed with, with Republicans plus romance who is willing to be a democratic vote along with the Republicans, but in the nine years I served with Joe prior to this year, I've never seen him once stand up to chuck humour on any issue that mattered or he the deciding vote, so we ve talked about on this podcast throughout the year that that that I've always been sceptical that man And would hold the line and and say no to shimmer. Well,

were closing in on the end of twenty twenty one number. One he's held the line on the filibuster, which is enormously consequence, other, really the worst legislative kind of game, changing policies that the dams want to push through take ending the filibuster. An mansion hasn't wavered on that and then four hundred and twenty one on the build back broke bill and by the way I refuse to to to call it build back better cuz, if nothing better about Troy, and spending and death and taxes and an Bernie Sanders socially. fever dreams, which is what the bill is, but on build back broke. Mansion is consistently tap. The brakes he's consistently said it's too much it was initially scored at three point. Five trillion dollars That was always a bogus score, because it is assumed a bunch of the programmes it in it. spired after four five six years

everyone knows that the closest thing eternal life on planet earth is a government programme and re use Scored the original build back rope bill under just a ten year window, which is normally how government legislation is What it was about, a five trillion dollar proposal mansion had been saying over and over again. This is too much. This is too much. This is too much He then been amplifying it by saying that he was worried about inflation that that the Democrats have already spent for three trillion dollars this year in new spending, totally aside from build back broke were saying inflation across. The country and man should have been saying. Well, I'm worried about inflation. This is too much money. I don't want to. These massive tax increases and- and it was really quite striking- the Democrats approach to join was basically to beat him with sticks. to yell Adam, don't nasty to be hideous to him, and

and and Joe wasn't wavering, he was you know. Biden was calling him regularly. He brought him up to dollar to meet with him. Wrought Biden was working on and constantly shimmer the laugh. They were pounding in their pounding him and then away ago. We saw and should announced we're not gonna do it. This year, member shimmer had been threatening we're gonna stay through Christmas and pass build back, broke and mansion said no or not. we're not I'm not doing it. This year forget about it. Shimmer was passed, the Democrats were passed, Biden was past. Every one was passed, and then, on Sunday, after this, the Senate ended its business for the year, and everyone went back home On Sunday, man should went on on Fox NEWS Sunday, and he said

Atta Gore. Equally, I am in no one build back broke. He called it build back better, but I shall give him that, because the know is the important part. What I just on this point that the personal aspect you know that their White this badgering mansion? They think they can bully him into it. Do you This was a matter of just Joe was always going to be a no. It was too expensive and that's the way it goes. Do you think this was a matter of politically it's more added hey for him to oppose it. Or do you think the personal aspect really really? laid played a role in that the White House ever played their hand with him, so they go the above, I think he is genuinely sceptical of the massive size of this. I think it's also good politics. Listen, a West Virginia, a very red state, Trump one West Virginia. Thirty nine points to give you a and of it the only state Trump won by a bigger margin was Wyoming. So it's the number two trumped statement country and mansion miraculously is a Democrat holds on so frankly for mansion stay?

ending up and saying no to bide Non. This massive spending bill is pretty good politics. the fact that he announces that on Fox NEWS Sunday that that that was not lost on anybody, he was speaking to West Virginia voters back home and he needs Voters that that right of of for him to get reelected but then on top of that, so I think think substance. I think there's politics, but but think the personal also matters that the Democrats are just being. church to it Bernie Sanders Bernie Sanders is, is rough and friendly. Every senator you served with both these energies not ease, not, he doesn't treat people nicely, but he last mansion over and over again. How dare you, one senator, doesn't have a right to do this You know he wrote or not bad in the biggest paper and West Virginia blasting Mansion for oppose, his bill. I got to tell you in senatorial world,

to write an op ed, another senator state in their pay. We're blasting them. I've never seen it done. I mean it, it's it's kicking a senator in the nuts and while you know I gotta say I might. I dont think mansion took well to either I dont think and The honest in some ways, men you're pissing off Bernie Sanders is about as good a politics, he could hope for in West Virginia up. you have been a few weeks ago, standing with mansion and is probably no four five or six republican centres and Wave talking and one of them, there was Dan Sullivan from Alaska Dan's, a good friend and and Dance said Joe. We need to do what cruises suggests. This is an idea floated Danny said. We need to make you Joe, the chairman of the committee on everything. And a laughed at that and it and I followed up. I said Joe look one of the two parts

actually likes you and men should howled at that here's. My questions on writing. A lot of people are wondering this. You know Senator Mansion personally, so you'll be able to speak to this. Is this a negotiation tactic not just between Senator Mansion and his constituents, but between the White House and Sender mansion, because Press Secretary John Saki painted this as a betrayal syndrome betraying President Biden. Is this just another ploy in? Maybe it maybe it'll happen extra another ploy for managing to get what he wants in this bill next year. So, Lemme, give you the negative, the positive, the name It is very possibly. Yes, on the fact that man, she has said no to this bill and put out a big statement. I think that probably ties pretty firmly to being no on this bill. that doesn't mean that that mansion can't go back next year, negotiate some different bell that he wants. That has just bending at a bunch attacks, as he said that he wants one point: seven five trillion in

five trillion. Ok, that's moving in the right direction, but you can do a lot of damage was one point: seven, five trillion, particularly depending on what the D Those are so. I think it is entirely possible that that mansion goes I can agree to something different: that's not this bill, but could still be a bad bill. The good side of it, though, is, is the personal which is it. I was sent a minute ago whether mansion would become a Republican. I'm skeptical I'd I think he will and am I've tried to convince him ever republican senator. I think all fifty of us have tried to convince show to come over and you got it may think of it. Culturally. So Joe has in a democratic whole life. He was governor as a Democrat and West Virginia he's been senator in his second term as a Democrat, he is the godfather of Democrats in the state I mean idiot, it is his being its culture, think about every Stafford.

His head from when he started in politics? There all Democrats, there, all staffing, democratic lobbyist, firm, think about all of his donors. They're all big democrats and he's got so much culture so much of his identity. Is tied up in being a democratic to flip over is hard now the countervailing peace, and this is what you asked about lives as the personal. The Democrats are being horrific too. I mean there, you know we ve seen video of him walk down the street in DC being faced by an angry group of leftist screaming and berating him. It in indeed see a lot on a house but have actually been to his house, but it's very nice houseboat, that's where he lives. When he's not West Virginia You know we ve all seen leftist gotten kayaks and rode up to his houseboat harass him in DC it'll Carson Cinema previously leftist chased her into the ladies room and- and I do think there is a possibility- and I

pension said earlier this week he said you was asked Still being a Democrat, Nay said: yes, if they will have me, and it was an interesting wall of fire where it could be that the left. You know gents Saki, yet yet you know, I'm I'm very impressed the dead that she thinks so highly of herself. That then that is a press flat four for the White House, she feels perfectly fine dressing down, not just a democratic senator but the pivotal fiftieth vote. They need to accomplish anything I gotta tell you that any functioning per Whitehouse, if oppressed secretary, did that the chief of staff of the press Didn't would drag them on the carpet and say what the hell are you doing. Our point out, look, you know if you remember back when, when George W Bush was president, you had Jim JET Jefferson, who was a very, very moderate,

liberal Republican and he switched parties. He became a Democrat and when Jefferson did, that it switched control of the Senate from Republican a Democrat and art of wide Jefferson flipped as it is. I think he felt mistreated. the Bush White House that they had been pretty bear, knock olden and mean to him and he got mad. I think so I'd and guys risk that, and particularly the yellow bird stand. The Bernie brothers are so pissed nasty that I think there's a chance. They chase mansion out there make it so inhospitable that he says enough is enough, now the water is warmed. Yo. Speaking of the personal touch, lives is going to go

collective Milburgh questions from all of our burden. Verdict plus subscribers live there. Well is that is correct, don't forget, there's a sale at the most or, if you want that's, we tax that we have to show its. We have stickers, we have all kinds of awesome. Verdict works that's over at verdict with TED crews, dotcom last slash shop UK at twenty percent off until January fifteenth, and if you want a similar question for Senator crews, Michael Knolls or me to answer on air over the verdict with TED bruised outcomes, life plus verdict, plus subscribers get exclusive access to ask all the questions on the episodes in we're gonna get to that shortly or a wonderful regulars. Senator this all happened and we small hours of the morning on Friday night in Germany, was the now it went, it went dead and then humor sent everybody home. There was something else consequential that happened in the we small you got a major win off of Chuck humor and it's not really making too much news They gathered enormous victory at about one in the morning Friday night early Saturday morning and at any was concerning.

stream to, and then we ve talked a lot about Nord stream to on this podcast the pipeline that that Vladimir Putin is building for Should a Germany and and I've been leading the fight against it authored and pass twice by partisan legislation, stopping Nord stream to defeating Russia, all of our victories national security victories on Russia on Nord Stream. Were given away by Biden who wave the sanctions and basically gave a multi billion dollar gift to Potan. That, in turn set the stage for the hundreds of thousands russian troops on the border of Ukraine right now, as we talked about just couple podcast to go well in response to idle waving. Sanctions on Nord stream to I placed a hold on every state department. Many for the in ministration, every single state, Barbara Nominee and also a handful of Treasury nominees as well.

and had been trying to use those holes as leverage to force Biden to actually have the stones to stand up to for those of us who are not super familiar with Robert roles of order in the way the Senate works, what does it mean to put a hold on a nominee yeah? So it's a great care as a whole does not a blanket block, so so I don't have. The ability is an individual senator prevent anyone from being confirmed, but what a whole, Does it slows down a nomination considerably, because many these nominees, particularly ambassador Routine ambassadors career ambassadors move forward by what's called unanimous consent. and unanimous consent, as is what it sounds like it's. It's all one hundred senators agree the rules of the senator, really slow and cumbersome, and so a lot of how the Senate operates through unanimous consent? Now these website a unanimous consent, as anyone senator can say, no, I dont consent and

Suddenly the wheels grind to a halt, and so, when I placed a hold on these nominees, it meant that confirm any one of them took time on the floor, took significant time, Anne and humor, headed to make the decision to invest time. To do that, Democrats were outright And so for the past several months we have had multiple democrats going to the floor, giving speeches about how, how I'm a terrorist, how it's terrible that stopping these nominations, but why I was doing with these holes- is using leverage to cause movement. So, throughout the course of it, I've been transferred. An incremental so, for example, early on I negotiate it with Tony Blair and the Secretary of State- and I said Anne and blinking offered to put a really strong statement threatening sanctions on Nord stream. To I said our eyes, I'll lift three holds in exchange, for that and- and I actually my office, we edited the statement before they put it out the insight

put it out. I lifted the holds and so kind of all throughout I've tried to use these holds as leverage to make proper ass Unstopping, Nord Stream to and stopping Russia well three four weeks ago I had an agreement with chuck humour to have a vote on sanctions on Nord stream to strange for I was gonna, lift seven holds and we're going to do that as part the NBA, the National Defence authorization actor there about twenty amendments coming one of which was my sanctions are met. Nor trim too. Then, unfortunately, all the amendments got torn down in the NBA was a fight over an unrelated matter, and so there were no amendment votes and so the deal went away well, big Last week I extended an offer to show I set out I'll, tell you what I'll live the hold on Sixteen ambassadors? Sixteen nominees, mostly bastard this

in total, not in addition to those other seven, eight that the seven were included. So I basically doubled the Annie and took it from seven up to sixteen inaction, for a vote on Nord stream to, and one of the things to understand is the leverage so presidential appointments expire at the end of the year, so every nominee that has not acted on by the Senate that nomination expires and Biden has, come back in January resubmit the nomination they go back to committee. The committee has consider it again and if it takes a long time, so the Democrats are feeling real pressure end of the year. We want to on noms. So I put forward staying you'll be amused, one of them one of the norms that was in that group, was rather manual, look, I am not a fan of Rama Manual. He was a hard core, partisan, democratic, the Clinton White House. It was mayor Chicago always been nominated to be ambassador, Bastard, Japan, but

Rob was lighting me up and wrong was gettin, all sorts of people, all sorts of people or friends and supporters of mine to call me and say Are you really need to clear rom and let us move forward and so I decided alright, I'm gonna throw rom into this package and I called Romany you are wrong I'm asking you to the group that I am offering to humour to lift the holds on an end. You have proof than to be a formidable lobbyist. You have been lighting me up from every direction so wrong. I'm doing for one reason and one reason only. I want you to direct that relentless lobbying at Chuck and again, I take my damned the yoke as I've now take it up at all. To do is get your own party to say. Yes, so Rob was lighting, the Democrats up. Well, I off, sixty so he went along with it arrives. We fantastic he's like great, indeed I mean it. It was exactly

It was intended to do, which is what I wanted. I wanted rom to be, yellow hitting Where from all directions to take the deal well, shimmer said no to sixteen. I then put and he he came back and he said every nominee which, which was about sixty nominees. I want all of em. I might well now actually initial offer was lift every hold and promised to make a hold again and it's like screw. You know that you're in and around on a career big like you gotta understand sugar was really was angry at man. She was angry at build back broke. He was angry that, like he wouldn't getting what he wanted and he was rushing out emotionally so I initially teat up. Sixteen, then I up and the negotiations? As I started getting late Friday night, I opted to twenty eight ultimate

At one end, shimmer was no and he was coming back with you. No fifty one. It was coming back with big numbers and and look if engaged in ago negotiation. One of the most important things is: is people learn that your threats are credible, that that that you dont blocking And so is there insisting on make big numbers? I'm like look fine, I don't care, then have everyone your nominees expire. That's fine by me. It's not like I'm vested in having you're, rich Democrats, moving dimensions in european capitals and start throwing parties with that's why that may be a big priority for you, but but my life is just fine without being too a few months, more n. Was finally Elinor was made one in the morning where such worship or, I think finally believe I was ready to walk away from the deal where

Where would you revealed to us if you, if you would walk away from the real? Oh yeah is it a heartbeat? I was ready to walk away from the deal. He believed it, but because it was the case- and I was I was absent- firstly at the point of our outward done, and so then he blinked, he scheduled a vote on sanctions on Nord stream to in the first two weeks of January, so by January will have the vote By the way I had to have the vote in January and not December, because a bunch of hence it laughed inside in what the vote when, like the republican centres weren't there, so I had to wait till January, you lose on yeah having to have the vote and then like not have your own guys. There is a real problem, but he agreed in exchange for my lifting the holds on on thirty two different nominees, and so those thirty two went through they got confirmed and most of those were fairly noncontroversial. The whole point of the holds was leverage to make progress, but

but let me get a little bit into the weeds, because its we were having a fight Shimmer wanted a vote on what's called a side by side, which is my sanctions. Amendment along side, a Bob Mendez sanctions bill that would sanction Russia if they invade Ukraine. So, after the fact, after an invite The reason shimmer wants a side by side as it's easier for Democrats to vote against my bill, causing the banana as bill gives them political cover. So what I told Shermer, as I said, look Alex at one of two ways either you can t up Menendez his bill, have my sanctions as an amendment to his bill. But if you do that, my sanctions have to be at a fifty vote threshold, which means if we hold the republic. and get one Democrat we win and I knew fact would waited a fifty thousand threshold because a number of Democrats told me they were voting for my bill. I said, alternatively, you can.

Up my bill as a stand alone vote at a sixty about threshold Will she didn't want either one because he's afraid that the White House will lose it either way, and so it was all about leverage to get a good vote. It was one in the morning where he blinked and said fine will give you a stand alone, vote at sixty and so What we did and we're gonna come back and in January and one Two things will happen in January. either we will narrowly lose the vote. It may be that the White House put so much pressure on Democrats that they vote to surrender to Russia and basically throw Ukraine overboard and set up a russian invasion of Ukraine, which is a really tough vote for Democrats. I don't want to do that, but they might partisan pressure might get them to do that or if it looks like we're getting north of sixty. It wouldn't surprise me if we suddenly, if they do the green light and all are virtually all Democrats vote in my thing passes by a big margin, so

either way we ve got a major votes scheduled in January, that that I gotta tell you one of the morning: tumor was so passed. He would look at me. He was. Scowling. It didn't help there a bunch of setting. we're like high firing me when, when he conceded that that that was a little bit in the football, but but but it was a big one. That's great so having too much good news before we get to the mail bag, I want to touch on a couple, a couple, bad news stories, and it all has to do. The vaccine yeah. So you know I moonlight my other gig outside of Our work here at verdict with our good friend, cactus and and lives in, is that I'm at the daily wire Daily Wire Sues Wire, Seuss, the over the private vaccine mandate. So we go. We get some good indications, good indication, the

Circuit Court of appeals, then the six Circuit Court of Appeals as where we're bringing or lawsuit and then right in the night on this past Friday, the sixth circuit reverses it stay of the vaccine, Meaning that they put a hold on the Black Sea mandate, you don't need to go, get the foul Georgi now, they're saying yes, you do, a lot of companies are following suit, around the same time you are grilling the Sea of United Airlines. These United Airlines is imposing a vaccine mandate on their employees, regardless of what the six Circuit Court of appeal says. So on this vaccine issue, great we want. hold back rogue great, we won or we might win Nord stream to wield on the vaccines. So I hope not, but it, but it was of disappointing development. So as you noted, the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals, which is the federal court of Appeals, covers Texas, had issued a stay, had stayed Biden, vaccine mandate for private employers and and as we ve talked about before on this this pod, therefore different Biden mandates one.

for active duty, military one for federal super. It employs, one for federal contractors and then one for private employers, with a hundred or more employees and we ve talked about I think all of them are legally suspect, but I think the most problematic, as is the mandate for private and employ employers, employees, that's the ocean mandate, the Fifth Circuit Federal Court of heels at issue to stay, had ordered that that the Osha mandate would not go into effect a here's. What happened there were buncher lawsuits filed. Over the ocean mandate and and there's a provision in the federal rules that, when you have a bunch of lawsuits over the same topic they can become. validated in one court of appeal so that you don't have multiple court of appeals, all resolving the site. Or similar issues, and so what happened? is by lottery the circuit that God it was the six circuit, so that would just just happenstance

that that suddenly the cases all went to the six circuit and the six get on Friday, night reversed CORE Senate, vague hated the state that the fifth circuit had entered in an end, the six get it's a divided opinion, so two to one opinion, Georgie opinion is written by a appellate judge nominated by Barack Obama joined by a George W Bush Pella judge the descent, as is by Joan Larsen, who was a Trump appointed Court of Appeals Judd she was on a Supreme court list. She was a former clerk to Justice Scully, a very smart, very capable judge at any was ace rate out dispute over the legality of the mandate and, and so the majority opinion of the sis. Six circuit said the fair circuit was wrong in the plainest are likely to lose and that OSHA Has-

authority to issue this ruling. It was a bad ruling on the merits, Judge Larsson the sand is, it is a very effective. Descended, goes through and slices the Madrid, these reasoning to bits where we stand? today is is that the plaintiffs have appealed to the Supreme Court asked for emergency relief, we'll see if they get it. What has also happened is Russia has stayed its own mandate until January tenth. So nothing will happen until January. Tenth, we, the least got a little bit more of a window, but If the ruling stays where it is, that's not good. So you use the players involved. I guess we were one vote away on the six circuit decision. Yes, well, one vote away in the Senate on build back broke, so what's gonna happen up at the Supreme Court or the regional lists and the conservatives gonna go squishy or were they go?

to say no, you don't have the right President Biden to force this mandate on private employers. You know I. I hope that the court follows the I gotta say when it comes to covet it's about a little better, all over the man and, in my view, it's a pretty straightforward statutory question that that Russia lacks the authority that this is a vast vastly exceeds OSHA statutory authority. This circuit agreed- and It was a brazen. Brazenly an excess of its authority in the: U S, court. They been a little bit nervous. We talked in a recent pod about that just liberty fights. coming out of New York. Where were the ad. Justices were reluctant to step in uncovered and so well It comes out if this were a ghetto.

Sort of Non Covin type issue, it be easy that the court would rule. Now you don't have the authority to do this. If you took the cove and the covered at its its, I think there are some justices that are nervous about cove it. As we talked about last podcast, you justice know just discourses descent. Analogy, icing it to war time rulings that in more time, people It really nervous and sometimes justify bad policies they're scared of their enemies and- and I think Gore such made a good analogy that when it comes to come in pandemics were saying bad policies justified because they're scared the pandemic I will say you mentioned the airlines so last week in the Senate Commerce committee- we had. The ceo of the major airlines testify an end. for several years. I been either the chairman of the ranking member of the aviation subcommittee of Commerce, so the lead

republican on all airline related issues in the pandemic will we were passing dick. The cares act and there was Billy of dollars of relief for airlines to make sure that we had pilots in an aviation industry when when they were allowed to fly again, I was the leader public and make it all that happened, and so we the sea, as I know the ceos all well, I pointed out, I said, look too of the companies both based in texas- South and American airlines have been really good on vaccine mandates in regular. The ceos of both of said to me too, actually, but also publicly that no, employ will be fired because they declined to comply with a vaccine mandate that they will be generous in granting exemptions, and they will not fire anyone. That's the right thing to do. I commend both of them for doing that. Dell so the ceo was likewise said they will not fire. Anyone for failing to comply

with a vaccine mandate, the war big outliers, United and united United that airline. I know well because I live in Houston and United. There. You know one of their big Hobbs. As in Houston of you live in Houston, you got a fly united. You basically fly more Lee United in Southwest West of ear and so I mean I fly United all the time. You know it is based in Chicago and and I dont know if they have decided There- a Democrat airline that their an adjunct to the Biden White House, but Air sea has been draconian on their seas. If you don't get the vaccine you're fired and they fired pilots, they fired flight attendants, I talk to you know I went through in the hearing. I questioned Scott Kirby, I said: look: why aren't you doing what your peers are doing? Why don't you give a damn about? the rights of your pilots and flight attendants and employees thereabout

thousand United employees who are standing up and fighting against United about fourteen thousand employees in Texas, and I got to say he was just defiant he's like well. This is safety. and we're gonna mandate it for safety and in end it was what it is doing is wrong and in one of the things I pointed out to him I said: look I've I united pretty much every week, almost without exception on every single flight, I get on. Either United Pilot or a flight attendant or sometimes multiple pilots are multiple flight attendants come up to me and they just say. Thank you. Thank you for fighting for us, and I said de Kirby. What the hell is wrong with you that your employees thanking me, Europe see why why're you fighting your employees in it, and he had no no good answer to that right. Right, new hope that that enough pressure will will bring him

into line with the other airlines, but a lot of uncertainty on the vaccine. So before we keep dreading what what be waits, what awaits for us in twenty twenty two, perhaps let's bring lives back and for a little end of the year cheer ass. We can hear from all of our wonderful members, inverted plus. Thank you, Michael. Yes, there are so many good questions for the episode tonight. As always, Let us have a question for senator crews, for Michael for me to answer live on air. During these episodes, you can go to verdict with TED cruised outcomes. Lash plus we do have. We ve extended our sail through January fifteen, so you can become an annual subscriber for just fifty six dollars here. That is by the way, the cheapest price the ever gonna get on that. So now is the time. Time is, as they say, go ahead on over to verdict with TED bruised outcome, slash plus the first question: is it so much political as personal? We are about to enter into twenty twenty two after a tough year politically, do you have any new year's resolutions that you make

You know I don't have any formal new year's resolutions. I look. I would like to do what what I suspect a lot of folks would like to do, which is losing weight, I turn turn fifty one tomorrow? You know what I was a kid when I was in high school in college, I was skinny as a rail when I, when I graduated from college, I was five eleven about a buck. Thirty, five, a buck. Forty, man and was skinny for a long time, but as I've got an older I've put on it a few extra pounds, and yet I'm workin out trying to watch what I eat, but but is it a fur? Resolution idea. I wish it were were firmer than that, but by lifting lifting wait a couple times we can play basketball couple times a week in and trying to trick trying to cut the cards and when we will see, if that makes any progress will be able to tell us it will be able to hold you accountable because will see who wins the arm wrestling contest between you and Michael

that said. That depends on how people vote. That is that it might monitors. Resolution is a recurring one. I always try to read fifty bucks a year. I actually this year. I have to admit I did not come anywhere close. I think I'm only about thirty books, but I did give birth at the beginning of the year. I think that gets me of it this year, but I do try to read a book a week. That's true. My resolution is a little closer to the senators, but I guess it. the opposite. I've resolve to get much fatter this year. No I'm something of a skinny boy myself. I don't cut a very imposing figure, so I want to eat lots of bogies and pasta and really cut physically intimidating appearance had planned. Please wish look? You know I will say let your fifty bucks will get a lot easier and then that now that you're a mom because reading books like one fish to fish redfish, fish really stack up up up, even if I, if I counted those than my number, would be much much higher. I didn't actually think of counting those, so Senator there's an interesting theme throughout this year. Since the bite administration, you know, has been inaugurated since they ve been in the White House

There is this: it's not even an underlying sentiment among a lot of the american people. There's an open sentimental are among the american people, wanting accountability for institutions that they don't trust or politicians that they feel are corrupt, and so the question tonight are all of the same nature: people, the american people, voters, your constituents Biden, constituents wanting accountability for actions that they deem unethical and wrong, and so I want to start with a question from Philip Beach. He says I would like to ask what will be done in the near future in terms of bringing charges against doktor faulty the man has led repeatedly to Congress and the people in regard to Israel and gain a function, diseases and we're on. Yet he continues pedal his misinformation and strode about national tv senator. How do you answer that question? You look it's a great question, the unfortunate answers in the next year. My prediction is not a damn thing will be done about it. An end. The reason is the way our constitution is structured. It is the executive that brings charges. That is the exact

If that can bring an indictment and only the executive, only the by demonstration can do so. So in Congress we can If we had the majority, we could hold hearings. We can call can shine a light. We can draw attention to it, but but senator. I don't have any ability to bring criminal. It is only the executive, can do so and, as you rightly noted, doktor found sheet. Listen he's been wrong on a host of things about covered from the beginning, but in terms of crimson, conduct. Criminal conduct is not whether you agree or disagree with someone. It's not easy whether you like the edicts that he's issued it criminal conduct. Is it violated the criminal laws and, and what that question asked put put the finger on the dearest violation of criminal laws, which is that found? She has testified in front of Congress Multiple Times

That then I age has never funded gain a functional research at the wheel on instead of reality, Ghana, functionaries which is where your modifying of Irish, to make it more infectious to make it more dead deadly to make it more dangerous, and he has said on equivocally reply- link, irrational testimony? No, no! No! Now we have not done that a couple of months ago, the an age in writing confirm that you ass. The age has in fact, funded gain a function reach at the wool honey astute virology. Those two statements are directly contradictory. Their hundred and agrees opposite one merit garland, was testify in further sent a judiciary committee. I asked him about this. I asked him Will you investigate, WWW, prosecute, Fauci and the reason it's it's prosecution

Is eighteen? U s c section section of a thousand and one makes it a felony punishable by up to five years in prison to lie to conquer and so on the face of it. It certainly appears that found she lied Congress and committed a criminal act. and so I asked garland. Will you investigate and prosecute? And if you won't, will you appoint a special council if you're too politically compromised. If your partisan loyalties to Biden, are too great. Will you appoint a special council in and Garland? following the lawless pattern we ve seen from this attorney general this Justice Department said I, comment on investigations, but I ain just refused to answer. I meant it Can you shine a light on it? I'm will continue calling for accountability, but I have no confidence that administration is why

into enforce the law, if its politically and two million for them to do so right. Well, I think that they proved that I mean the fact that Internal General Garland refused to comment on it. I mean pretty much says all all that we need to know. Although we appreciate you pushing this so Tm Ericsson has a very similar question. Saying congressmen, Mccarthy has openly declared his desire to investigate Mr Biden if the GNP retake the house in twenty twenty two Do you think that smart, yes and I think that is extremely likely to happen? I am very optimistic about twenty twenty two, I put the odds publicans winning the house about ninety ten, and it may even be higher than that. What's interesting as in Washington, Everybody assumes republic, as you know, when I think all the Democrats assume we're it to take the It's almost baked into the cake of how everyone handles decision making in the assumptions I put the odds of, taking the senator about fifty fifty. I think it's

be a really good year, but it's a bad map. We have. More vulnerable republican seats up in twenty twenty two and the Senate than we have voted. Democrats seats, so we ve gotta have a few things about right, but if we take the house would as I said I think, is overwhelmingly likely. Then I think we will see serious investigations of of the by dead men. Creation, we will see oversight which has congresses responsibility, but with democratic control. They have no interest in actually aging and real oversight, and if we take the set, I hope we see the Senate engaging. Similarly in real oversight with teeth and Michael. This is a pretty interesting question. So, as we close out this year, a verdict, it's worth noting that every year verdicts so far Trump has been impeach. There hasn't yet been a year, a verdict without trot impeachment. Do you expect to see that, in the upcoming

Yes, I do expect them to impeach Trump again, I'm not sure how they're going to do it, but I think they'll probably find a way. Even though he's out of office, the guy could probably be dead for about fifty years and they'll still be impeaching. Him send her since that you're, the only one of us who hold the federal office I'll flip it around to Joe Biden. Do you think there's any chance that a republican House would impeach nobody. Yeah dad, I do think, there's a chance of that and and whether its justified or not as we talked about when verdict launched the Democrats weapon Ized impeachment, they used it for partisan purpose, to go after Trump because they disagreed with him in one of the real disadvantages of doing that and in this something you and I talked about a great length the more you weapon eyes and turn it into a partisan cudgel. You know what's good, for the goose is good for the gander. I said at the time when we have a democratic president and a republican house you can expect in impeachment proceed. That's not how impeachment is meant to work but

but I think the Democrats cross that line. I think they'll be enormous pressure on a republican house to begin impeachment. proceedings, I think there are potentially multiple grounds to consider for impeachment, probably the most compelling. is the utter lawlessness of of president by Refusal to enforce the border his his decision to justify Federal immigration laws and allow two million will to come here unimpeded in direct contravention, of his obligation under article two of the constitution to take care that the laws be faithfully executed. That's probably the strongest grounds right four impeachment, but there may be others, and and because the damage rats decided. This is just another tool in the Partisan WAR war chest

I think there is a real risk that that that that turn about will will be fair play and that that's gonna be interesting to watch. So we as we close out twenty twenty one, I mean we're closing out with Senator Mansion, saying no to build back broke. As you say, looking ahead to twenty twenty two, do you have any predictions politically of what we can expect, even even before the mid term, elections actually happened, just political policy anything from Congress. The White House What do you expect to see in twenty twenty two? I think we will see more terrible nominees. I think we will see more terrible judicial nominees at striking how the I'd nominees they're, not picking centrists they're, going hard left. The judges they're putting forward are hard left Wing act, this the nominees their pudding in in the executive branch are by and large hard left wing activist. I think will see a lot of that. I think we'll see film trying to ran through more bad policy and sadly, even though mansion said no to build back broke he's a Democrat Pearson Cinemas Adele.

Rat and and- and I think they will vote for bad bills next year that do harm. I think you'll see more spending I think you will see bad policy enacted I am hopeful that own end, the filibuster and if they don't in the foot, buster, we won't see DC important go become a state. We won't see the corrupt politicians. the federal seizure of elections, it pass into law and we won't see them pass, Pat pack, the? U S Supreme court. So in terms of big Structural harms. Those won't happen. but we may well say we probably will see trillions more.

And spending and potentially trains, more taxes to write and, of course, everybody's eyes. The entire year will be on the mid term elections, so even the policies and the politics will reflect that. As a reminder, if you want to ask Senator crews question Michael most question me a question you can do so at verdict would TED crews, dot com slashed plus for the very cheap, very inexpensive price of fifty six dollars a year. You could become an annual subscriber. It is the cheapest price, we are going to offer and you can get it between now and January. Fifteenth Michael. I will hand it back to you how wonderful that, as we had into what President Biden is calling a winter of your illness and death? We got some real winds and real, tangible winds and the host a vision, happened to be there and happened to be causing. those winds last Friday night as that's. Why, One thing is something to be grateful for we're very grateful for all of you. Listen to the show for two years now, looking forward to see you next year on Michael Michael's, this is

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