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with twitter spat with the mayor of Vancouver over this trucker protest going on up in Canada, while that's true enough air Van Coover said yet we can Arians, don't want you truckers, you guys go home and I had to point out. I said gosh. You know that the commission might have a different view of the truckers, actually did go home and suddenly you're shells were empty. I mean it seems to me to years ago people were waxing eloquent about that. The group He arose that truckers were. I agree they that they make. Our entire system are attacked, Let me move forward, but, but now these left, as politicians are saying to Hell with you, truckers we'd like what you say. So it's it's not just the little guy. It's not just the working class that is being put upon here. It's even one of the most elite. influential popular voices in the world that would be Joe Rogan. This podcast or who's got a massive massive audience, he's politically independent and

Big tat is shutting down. We touched on it a little bit. Some aging hippies were trying to boot him off of Spotify, but it it appears be sort of working. Well, these two stories are deeply interconnected and, and they represent together the most dire threat to free speech. We have Joe Rogan, you have petty gum, when authoritarian means, enlisting their bodies and big Tec to silence the voice of dissent. Canadian truckers, you had petty government authoritarian in listing the voice, a big tack and the power of big Tec, to silence the voice of dissent and and and and both look that this would never have happened even a year or two or three ago. This is a new phenomenon: let's take Yo Rogan, so Jen Saki, publicly called from the White House Podium for Spotify to take down as episodes for Spotify silence. I will say: let me start

by saying I'm pissed off. Look our last podcast. We talked about how this pod was the first podcast we mention from the White House podium any income. Joe Rogan and big foots us. That's true. Senator we were the first to weaken the least thing or had on that, but yeah Joe Rogan has come in. He is now the third bod gas to be referenced at a White House briefing that I say in between the two Jan Saki was ass. To asked about this podcast in her comment why she said she is blissful blissfully, not a spokesperson for TED Crews, which I have to admit. Michael I retweeted and just said the blesses mutual

The feeling is reciprocated right, but I will say what we did talk about, actually setting up Marguerite, isn't kickboxing and safely and weaken recruiter over because Shia, thankfully we're not gonna. Do that? Look stop for a second and think about the White House, the executive office of the leader of the free world, the most powerful man on planet earth calling for a voice of dissent to be silenced and calling very specifically calling out big tech calling out the oligarchy in silicon Allie gents Aki was very specific Spotify. Take down this post now. Normally, when you have suppression of free speech is a big power and balance and its powerful people trying to sound silence, weak people will hear the person there trying to silence it Joe Rogan Jargon as many things, but not weak,

he's got a hundred million listeners and viewers. That is a crap ton of listeners and viewers, and yet he gets more viewers. He he's for many episodes he's he's. Ten acts are a hundred acts. What CNN is an end, but White House is terrified of him. See Ananas terrified of em blue check marks and twitter, a terrified of him and his horse worth pausing. Look you, and I are unlikely advocates for Joe Rogan. No you're gonna. There met the guy. Ah me, neither as he as far I know he's not a conservative endorsed Bernie Friggin Sanders generally serve it and don't endorse wild eyed, socialist, but Rogan. Look I've really grown to admire Rogan, because he's demonstrated backbone is willing to speak out on covert he's called bull shit too.

The continued propaganda and the contradictions in the lies coming out of a faulty coming out of the bag and White House coming out of the press and for those in power having someone willing to descend with a really big megaphone scares them, and so they want to destroy them, an important think no about Joe Rogan. This is not spontaneous. This is not organic. this is an organised assassination of speech. It started off kind of comical, but then the chimed in and then you noticed it started off with covert misinformation cause he brought in scientist to doctors who had views that differed from the enlightened view of doktor fallacy which changes every week, but whatever it is that week is holy scripture and cannot be challenged young, but then you know this kind of hack, writer, Don Winslow, but never hurt.

Other than his loud obnoxious on Twitter. south this video and old video of Rogan using word and look using the What is wrong? Neither you nor I support it ends. Suddenly, all of the blue check Mark gathered up together and an end. Rogan is a racist for having used it. Look, that's not a word that should be used in I'd society, but I will tell you who else is used the net Edward repeatedly Joe Biden wrappers like crazy? stir and are not cancelling Howard Stern. Why? Because Howard Stern is, is survival leading kissing the behind those in power truly a shame. Howard Stern started out a rebel, and now he echoes the words of the petty tyrants. If you shut up and echo what they say: you're, ok, if you're Jimmy camel dressed in black face, you can do whatever you want, because you're a mouse peace for the regime. This

followed a familiar script, and I yes, this also ties to the canadian Trucker protest, which is the actual so Intervention that this is about is covered in Joe Rogan questioned the covered narrative. He brought on very respected, very well known scientists. They quest the government's covered narrative. What they did narrative does your because, as you say, it changes all the time and and what happens? Then they try to attack him. It doesn't work, then calls him a racist. That is always the next card that they play. They pull it out of nowhere. They take clips out of context. They do whatever they can. They apply a standard unevenly and they're. Trying to do. That seems to have weakened him a little? he's made, some concessions will see what It goes, but I guess my question on. It is: what is it about this covert issue, because why what the left would say is Michael Senator This is about health. People are gonna die if this information gets out there and that's why we ve got to suppress the trackers, it's why why we ve got to shut up Rogan? Is this a unique issue?

People are not allowed to dissent, is you in the following way. It has revealed the authoritarianism of these government leaders. They believe they have the power to force you to comply to force you to take a vaccine. My body choice doesn't matter to them. Any more note, not your body, not your choice, work at a force you to take a vaccine to force you to wear a mass to force you to obey, and if you don't, they will use the course of force of government to shut your business down. You know is a restaurant here in D c that was shut down because they refused to enforce the vaccine mandates restaurant said. Look I don't want to wanna. Like my customers come in demand their papers, you know intrude on their medical business, and so what I d C do these Columbia Colombia came in and shot him I mean it is arbitrary power. They will shut your business down there. They will such a restaurant down the shut, your bar down their shut, your store down. They will fire you if your active duty,

chariot soldier sailor, Airman Marine, a Navy seal. They will fire you if you're a doctor, a nurse they will fire you. If your women employ for an FBI agent. If your border patrol agent, they will fire you, it is force, and these are the same guys that that, during the height of covered, when it started work where we're shutting down playgrounds were shutting down churches. Where were were suing to say. If you saying amazing, grace everyone's gonna die an end right. What cove it is done has revealed the arbiter hurry nest. They did the power and by the way you know some might say, are you're exaggerating. Listen all these democratic politicians know it's crap. We all saw this week, basic aid, Abrams sitting in a classroom full a little kids. Kids are all mast and she's sitting there grinning ear to ear, with no mask right in front. Why? Because she's a democrat

overlord and the rules don't apply to her. They just apply to the little people. In this case it really was little people, it was children. all the democratic politicians, every one of them, Gavin Newsome, you know piling around with MAGIC Johnson. I this pretty cool yesterday of MAGIC Johnson, I'm jealous about that. I eat YO, Eric Gar Seti, say say: oh I held my breath had my master, but I held my breath baloney. No, but it's the lie is so absurd. The person saying it doesn't believe at the person hearing. It doesn't believe it but what it's really about and by the way Barack Obama this week he's having this massive house built in a. Why never mind global warming, never mind the environment and he said, ending therewith the workers little working people workers are all mass than theirs Obama, no masks super

I the servants, that's the same as Nancy Pelosi. When she does her fund razors, where the serving people must be mass, its garbage, it is contempt of elite is but the fact that they take their mask. I've talked in this part all the time democratic senators remove their masks. all the time behind closed doors when the tv cameras aren't there, both the mass comes off but soon as they come out they put the mask on this is about power and Rogan, and the truckers are threats to an. I guess. Look role in the world of of speech has a damn powerful. Megaphone Spotify is paying a million dollar two hundred million dollars lotta my Michael spot, a fire it to you tomorrow, a hundred million dollars. Shame your head. Become an eminent, a ressler. I understand

agreed, say Michael Knolls, yet you know dressed in inner red tights bingo wrestle, I dont want to undercut by negotiation. I would do it for ninety five. I would, I believe you add, at I'd, buy tickets to it. I guess this. This is what so scary here is Joe Rogan he's got this huge megaphone and yet they can leads to some degree, make him concede. We were always told that yes, government is bad and do lots of bad things, but we ve got private enterprise. We ve gotta run private organizations. We can. Do our own work in the culture fight back, build your own google, all that kind of stuff, and yet we ve seen here in this AIDS and with the canadian truckers, is your seeing the government using these private. These private entities, so you ve, got spot eyes being pressured by the White House to boot. Rogan These two sensor him, you ve, got go fund me. There was a go fund, be set up for these Adrian trackers, alot of people were donating to them and then go fuck me under a lot of political pressure, says

never mind we're gonna. Take that money away from the truckers well the sooner we don't have the government. We don't have the private enterprise. What are we supposed to do so? You look at Spotify, they haven't kick Rogan off yet, but the goal is to kick him off entirely. That's what the White House called for. They have taken down about a hundred epoch, a show, so they decided that you and I we don't get to see what he said, those episodes where two dom or to ignore it. We can't listen, that's speeches, dangerous and so they're going to ban it I gotta say: Rogan responded by apologising illicit if there. If there's one lesson, Donald Trump has taught us is don't apologize to the Woke left wing mob because they are not interested in apology. There are interested in truth are not interested. In fact, nobody cares in the mob about the substance of what was on those hundred episodes. They don't care at all. They want to destroy him. You look at the truckers

listen in Canada, the canadian politicians? Ah, you know the mayor of Ottawa, which was what was was revelling in calling for go fund me to pull down the site and was bragging about it and go fund. May people had given ten million dollars to support this? I mean it was you know a spontaneous movement. and when the government officials called on to go, find me just like the White House, did the government officials and and in a call on go, find me stop this Euro Go Fund, He didn't have a hundred million dollars tied up with the trackers. If they did, they might have behaved differently. Spotify been a little bit trying to have their cake and eat it too. So go fund major no we're taking the money and first they said we're gonna, give it to a bunch of levelling causes that we support. Then there were so Its outrage they backed off, is it out or I will just refund the money. Look this this weekend,

I sent a letter to the Federal Trade Commission, asking the F, p c to investigate. Go fuck me for deceptive trade practices. Because if you take ten million dollars, if you steal it from people and divert it to a place that that the consumers are gave it didn't intended to go, that is deception. That is Sumer fraud and an end. It is indicative of the arrogance of big tack and the willingness for them to act as enforcers. government officials now there there was a second part of this. Go fuck me story, son, I'm very glad that you are bringing legitimate german power against go find me here. I will never use go find me again. I obviously we can't trusted if they're gonna take the money away from the causes. We think

giving too that I might go. That's that's not fair if you want to support black lives matter and teeth, if you want to support rioters and people that are firebombing police cars, if you want to support people that are taking over police stations and declaring Chaz Autonomous zones, go fuck me as the site for you. So if you want to support marxist that's the place and you don't even need to donate directly to you can donate to whoever you want. Don't worry, go find me, will redirect your money. You don't even need to think about it. So I'm I'm really glad that you are leading on this issue and getting the government to look into this. This obvious fraud, but there was a SEC part of the story here, which is that after go, find me took all the money, a bunch of people than got together and started to fund truckers, not through the Gulf and obviously not even through some private enterprise and organization. Like go fund me, they did it through Bitcoin Bitcoin is a powerfully revolutionary technology. Crypto currency. I am very bullish on

coin on Crypto generally and I gotta tell you the same in petty authoritarian who hate Joe Rogan, who hate the canadian truckers, they hate Bitcoin and they hate Crypto and there's some irony. So so I become a very vocal defender of crypto, probably the leading defender, certainly one of the leading defenders in the U S, Senate and it's interesting allotted the Bitcoin encrypted folks were Bernie brows, just just like Rogan. Yet getting you know the kind of cool socialists that seem hip and yet these authoritarian hate Bitcoin they hate crypto it it's for same reason. Why do they hate Joe Rogan? Because they can't control him he's not subjected to their authoritarian power? Why did they hit Bitcoin because they can't control it? It is a. Some of currency outside of the monopoly control of the. U S, government and an eye

say, as is I've addressed stuff. You know. I'd die, spoken, big Crypto conference in in Austin several months ago, and I said Listen, you need to understand this administration. I It is gonna, go after you and is going to try to destroy you and by the way, that's a pattern of authoritarian China, Communist China outlawed Bitcoin. For the exact same reason. Why does Elizabeth Warren hate Bitcoin for the same reason that she and China hates Bitcoin, because neither one of them can control it and an end? The theme through all of this is: is the power of freedom to be not subject to the arbitrary whims of those in government power. Now you have convinced me on this. I don't know anything about a crypto, I'm a terrible investor. My investment strategy generally is by high cell low. That's whenever I'm involved, but what else of listeners. Probably dont know is you are much cheaper than I am

I've been on this greta thing for a while true and you you did make headlines because well well, Crypto was lapsing- and I was panicked and selling all my crypto european. buying the dep that that that is true. So I bought Bitcoin. I own bitcoin, I think, accorded the public reports there. Three senators that Bitcoin may Cynthia love us Pat to me. You know I'll, say I don't six, eight ago. I didn't know a whole lot about Bitcoin, Crypto and an end I saw that it was growing in developing and said. Look I need to educate myself and then, and so I started setting up dinners with people involved. the crypto world and just sitting down and listening to them- and I started off with you- know all sorts of dumb question. You know what is How does it work and learning and it's complicated stuff, and I certainly I would not all myself out as an expert today but

started, learning and listening to it being fascinated by it by the development of it by the ability that there's a book actually that Cynthia Lovest recommended to be called layered money, which I read that talks about some of the history of of the development of money from the beginning, but but crypto as the next evolution of it and I've gotten varied bullish on on Crypto, especially Bitcoin, Anne and really horrified at the efforts of Elizabeth Warren big government Democrats to crush this growing industry. You know, Texas, is becoming an oasis for Bitcoin, we're saying more and more crypto moving to Texas, particularly Austin, and so I started several months ago, actually have a weekly by order in four bitcoin than ever, like, I just have an automatic by Europe. Look given that there's volatility, I'm a fan of dollar cost averaging, which is just having a spit abide

Curs weekly automatically so that higher low it it averages out and then what I, ended up doing, I guess couple of weeks ago is when Bitcoin drop to bypass. I said alright, I said I don't believe this drop, and so and so I made him a bigger purchase, I bought twenty five thousand worth of worth of Bitcoin under the Senate. You have to file a financial disclosure for a purchase over one thousand dollars, so I filed that potential is closed. and you know usually those financial disclosures. Don't you know? Maybe they get a little bit, but they don't then I'll get a whole lot of attention. Actual fascinate, Michael when I filed a financial disclosure, it generated a ton of press and an listen, I am bullish on Bitcoin. So I am proud to say: I got skin in the game, I believe in it and that's that's all that's why invested in it, but but I think,

gotta be encouraging. I want crypto currency. I want America to be the hub of Chris Crypto Currency globally and frankly, I want Texas to be the hub of crypto currency in America. So I I have been and by you and by other meanwhile Ronald Reagan. Favorite economist George Guilder was real abolish on blockchain technology years ago, even and said this is kind of the future of the internet and What I'm convinced on here now is that this, would be a way to avoid government controlled, could be a way to avoid even the control of private businesses that are often working at the behest of the government anyway. But then might my final Question to you is this: if the government was, Voltaire clamp down on all these private businesses and build your own google and all of that and that hasn't work we saw with the truckers were seen with Rogan to what is to stop them from

Clamping down on Bitcoin, you ve, already heard rumblings out of the government. What is the likelihood that Biden does that so look, they may well- and I am quite concerned about it- this administration could kill crypto. When I talked to the conference in Austin, I you know there are a lot of folks in the crypto world who are a little bit utopia, that they have a view that that that that that we are inevitable that then that Bitcoin is inherently superior, all other forms of money. I will say one of the things I like about: it is it's a potential hedge against inflation and given this administrations, in trillions, driving up trains, a debt I'm interested in the hedge and inflation. Is there? valuing the dollar and so on. So I like Bitcoin, is a hedge against inflation, but the point I made it this conferences, you'll need understand. Government can destroy. You ask how many of you have heard of of Napster Ah you eat yet you know, and they all dare I said, listen it's easy to think we're

happily and are sort of Austin Peaceful place, and I think Bitcoin is actually where Silicon Valley was maybe fifteen or twenty years ago, which is at a fork in the road we're Silicon Valley could have chosen to go towards a libertarian utopia, Lee allow, let's be entrepreneurs, let's have freedom or they could have done what they which is to go down the socialist woke path of we exercise power. We are two totalitarian and, where leftist woke and unfortunately, Silicon Valley took the wrong choice. I think Bitcoin encrypted more generally, as at that same fork in the road I hope that they go the libertarian way. I hope they go the small business leave us alone. Let us be entrepreneurs, you know that is really potent, so I'm trying to encourage it. But absolutely there is a very real and potent threat from the Bible administration that they will go after that

we'll try to destroy it, and- and I want gonna fight against that- because I think it is a huge huge industry going forward and I don't want to see the idiot politicians and in Washington dry get out of American Senate overseas aid, we won't disappear, but Washington is perfectly capable of sending the job overseas and sending sending that business overseas. I think that would be catastrophic riots. especially at a moment where we're descent against the ruling class Liberal establishment, the regime, whatever you want to call where that is so difficult and where people are are genuinely persecuted for it. Ass. We have two wheeled what political power we can. Yes, we need to build what market power we can, but if there, if there were an instrument, a technology really too, to be able to exercise our right and our way of life. That's something very high, fallen. So I hope that we can maintain it. We unfortunately, so far are not accepting Bitcoin in the verdict store

I think we really should. I think that would be a great way to do it. So, Michael I've actually introduce legislation in Congress to have the congressional store except Bitcoin River, that One of the pieces of legislation I have introduced as as a way of spreading its it's it's accepted by the way in El Salvador. I spoke with the president of El Salvador last week. Salvador it's it's legal currencies, legal tender and in El Salvador an end it is Bitcoin, has all sorts of potential, particularly developing economy, for people to have secure savings. You may not have access to a bank account, but if you have a cell phone, if we have any technology can have secure savings that can't be stolen from you. It can also is secure, instant. Mia's transactions, you can transfer it buy and sell. Yet you know they're massive and efficiencies right now in the transfers of cash that crypto in Bitcoin go all around, and so it is a generation skipping technology which is potent than that that's

One of the reasons I have introduced legislation to repeal what the Democrats did putting additional burdens on grip, I have also, as I said, I think, the congressional store I accept it because it it helps it expand the ability of this industry to grow, and I think there is enormous benefit to Texas and the country as this industry groves. Well, it's great to know that Bitcoin is good for developing it. enemies, because if a Joe Biden policies continue to destroy our dollar and are and our jobs We may soon be developing economy ourselves. Now we have more you just one it's over. There is still more so of you, who have gone over and gone to. Verdict will take restock arms like shop and handed over and subscribe to the verdict plus community. some of you know about this, but some of you might not know this quite yet, but our friend Liz Wheeler is hosting a new series with

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for the state of Georgia. She is not worry him ask in this photograph, which is surrounded by schoolchildren. Very small children with wearing masks on there. and not only is this a terrible look. She actually is defend Miss in the wake of all the outrage. So my question to you like, as that is purely political- is this photograph going to be the reason that she loses her election? Is this going to disqualify her in the eyes of her voters? Look I think this photograph has the potential to be something like Terry Mcculloch come come in at the end of the Virginia Governors race where he said in the debate. He said parents have no right to say what's taught to their kids in school and and- and I think if there was one sentence that defeated Mccullough elected, Glennie I'll get it was that sentence. It was the arrogance that was revealed a way it was, you know, there's an old line that I a gap has won a politician. Tells the truth tells you what they really think. This picture shows you what's Daisy Abrams early thinks and any it is.

I think this picture will play a central role in the election. Ah, you know several things are striking number one. They put the picture out, they crowded this picture. They saw nothing wrong with it and then suddenly the reaction was was so intense. They deleted it and they got the school to delete it too. They lay like tried to ban it tried to erase it just delete the fact. The school person delete- her entire account, but but then, when everyone naturally criticized the these self evident hypocrisy. The Abrams campaign put out this statement. Asked snarling with attacks that, of course, people are attacking me because their racists and it's all about You know undermining black history month because they're all just horrible race, Do hate me completely ignoring the substance also campaign put out a statement that, whilst

see requested that every one where a mask- and she just took hers off briefly- well, okay, so that doesn't make it better. Maybe she held her breath, like our study- did and indeed in and by the way I think it's much better. The world would be better. If democratic politicians held their breath, it would mean they couldn't talk so that that would be an improvement. Look. This picture. I was reading something today that was comparing this saying. This is the most consequential image of a politician in a room full of kids. Since George W Bush was reading children story to a roomful of kids when they came in and told him the news about nine eleven about the plane flying into the twin towers- and and you know we all remember that that image in and know that image- and I think this one likewise,

people will remember years from now. This is an image that will define the double standards. The arrogance, the hypocrisy. And any speaks volumes. I also thought it was, is notable like the Washington Post wrote a story about republican outrage over Abrams in the picture and Anne was hidden, Thing is they didn't show the picture they had a picture of Stacy avers like out all the campaign trail smiling, the wash it imposed very deliberately wouldn't show the picture that you actually don't need any commentary. You just need to see the image and it, Hell, you everything you need to know, including the fact that, if every one in the picture, the person at greatest risk from a serious illness of code, was clearly states. Abrams yeah she's, the one not wearing a mask the little children,

the odds are overwhelming if one of those kids, God covert than that there would be few if any symptoms and it would not be life threatening, but what it reveal says- is that neither she nor the other democratic politicians there insisting the kids be mass. They don't believe it. Stuff? No, they don't you it's worse than hypocrisy. Isn't it it's it's a leaders. They, I only oranges, violating rules that they think apply to themselves. They actually don't believe, rules apply to themselves and this has been. But this is the reason the Washington Post isn't picturing or showing this photographs. We they know it's, not a republican or a democrat issue, any more among voters, especially parents. The parents across the aisle, are outraged at how the public health establishment has treated their children and continue to treat their children in school, and that's why I want to I've into this a little more nerdy, a little more philosophical aspect of, as we have seen up, close and personal the last two years. How the public health status holds

so much power over the american public, how much they influence politicians who issue dictates and mandates, are locked downs and masks and vaccines and all of these, all of these fairly invasive measure in the name of health in the name of public help you, and so I want to talk to you tonight. I want to ask you from a philosophical perspective: what is the role or what should be the role of the public health establishment in our country? Will it depends what qualifies for public health establishment and in many ways that is functionally doktor, Anthony Falcon and in and he has become the face it had so much so that their own tv, he is said, I Rep Ray and science in our me scripture in the beginning, was the word I mean it in it. It is this this Hubert

to embody science with which found she looked two years ago found she had a pretty good reputation. He was well respected the arbitrariness, the arrogance the attitude of infallibility and the obvious contradictions that have come from found. She I think you ve done massive and long term damage to the credibility of the CDC of the age of of the public health. Is Ablishn listen, you want to minimize the spread of disease, locked every person on planet earth in in a dungeon and never let them out you. You will reduce the spread of disease there just or other negative consequences. That kind of get that kind of guts. To my question, that's that's why I think that we as a nation, especially the Republican Party in the conservative movement, need to analyze. We need to be thoughtful about what the proper role of public health is. One public health is deferred.

and as new I mean, I promise that you laid out as as found she as these guns bureaucrats who weren't elected, they were appointed, who have the highest salary of all federal employees, including the president of the United States, and to me it speaks city, administrative state because we can get, we can get rid of algae, meaning President Biden could fire him. He could resign. I mean he's all these not can be in this position forever. You can replace one bureaucrat with another bureaucrats, but as long as you have this system, as we do of these executive agencies, that Congress defers remaking too. I dont see this problem particularly now that they have cemented how they want to handle pandemics or public health. They know that they can wage this power, the way that they have. I don't you going away unless we address the administrative state. Specifically, look, I think it's a very good point. I think the Trump Administration made serious mistakes is covered broke out in one of the mistakes was elevating found she and referring to him for far too long. The truck,

illustration should have fired voucher. The way found she and end the declared Overlords public health treated as it is, is that they were infallible and they did it while being cynically political at the same time. That combination is a really toxic brew. It is an especially because, if there's a doctor in the private sector, who has a terrible opinion or gives your terrible medical advice, you just you go somewhere else. You know different practice. You go to a different provider, you're? Not doctor, I mean it's a meritocracy or it supposed to be, and that's not the case when it's a government bureaucrats again. That's. Why that's why? I think that what we are looking at the power on these bureaucrats in federal agencies. We have to understand that history a little bit that this idea of the administrative state was introduced. You know at least four radically by Woodrow Wilson. He thought that there should be this. This class of neutral bureaucrats ran our federal government. I personally don't believe that there can be some one who was politically neutral. I think everyone has an opinion, then,

we Jane after expanded this administrative states, and now we have this bloated, this bloated apparatus, which a lot of people called the deep state because of all these, these politicos that work there that aren't accountable to the voters. In my opinion- and I want your take as a constitutional lawyer on this. In my opinion, the advent of this or what really cause this to grow out of control, was one Supreme Court stopped applying the separation of powers, the doctrine that, of course, was when Congress would delegates their legislative authority to on the executive agency, the judicial branch use and not allow that, but then they stopped and they did allow Congress and now look what we have so I'd love to hear your take on that and how we reverse that so you're exactly right. It got exacerbated by a decision from the Supreme Court that was called the chevron decision where they created something called chevron deference,

The court's now will defer to the judgment of an agency, even if the statute, even if the law doesn't require that outcome. If the expert agency has how come they will defer to it, if there's any ambiguity in the statute, I think there are a lot of folks and I would count myself among them who think Sharon was a mistake that contributed to the growth of the regulatory state, and you get a couple of things at play here- number one. Ah elected politicians like to shift power to the executive branch because they can avoid responsible, They can pass a vague and general law and then, when the agency something bad. They can say to their voters. Hey it's not me that did it it's it's! It's it's the EPA that did it it's it's it's the agency, its OSHA, the did it, but secondly, there is a problem that we ve seen this called regulatory capture. Then- and this is ocean from economics, where you have regulators that regulating a particular industry who become captured by it, they have a robust

the door where people come from the agency to the to the private sector, the regulating and back again, and they end up following the interests of the giant companies in that industry so use, yet in the aviation world, with the f ay ay and accompany like Boeing, and then you look at the seven thirty seven max where there was an instant, the FDA aid was, was not remotely effective enough in ensuring the safety of the seven thirty seven max. With respect to covet, you look at the FDA and just how, in bed the efta, As with big farmer, I've seen some data with ivory, acted and hydro clerk. One of that have suggested good results, particularly in the developing world, but both of those drugs are incredibly cheat. Both of those drugs are r R. U can get for pennies, whereas big pharma. If you look at at the treatments their pushing their thousands of dollars and- and I do think

There is a real question of agency capture. Why is it that the agency favours treatments that cost thousands of dollars versus treatments that cost pennies. and particularly in the weird politicized world, where the fact that Trump SAD Hydroxyl clerk when good caused half the country to say it. Must be bad trump likes it, which is a really weird met, way to make medical or scientific decisions yeah thats, while that science, engineering, defining science and doktor Foul Junior so Get a little bit get a little bit and earlier, if you can on on, general deference ear. I don't understand, senator why so many in the judiciary- and this is not just the Supreme Court. This is this- is all levels why there is such a deference to precedent for the sake of precedent when precedent is so clearly unconstitutional. Now you know you- and I have talked about Dobbs versus Jackson, women,

We have talked about Roby when we talked about decisions that are obviously unconstitutional, that the last there judicial activists who, actually I don't want to overturn a demonstrably raw. An unconstitutional decision, just because it's been quoted coat settled for decades. So I dont understand that jurisprudence. If you want to call it a jurist but how do we undo the chaperone deference? Because it is incorrect and you're right? Congress has never gonna do anything about it, because it makes their jobs easier, not to be responsible for what they legislate. So there's a doctrine porch follow that cold story, decisive step that that is respect for president its following president in look story, decisive makes sense and that you want predictability, in a legal system, you know, if you look at how laws are structured, there's a tension between rules and standards. Rules are

your bright lines where you know which side you fall on them. Now they have the advantage of predictability. They had the advantage ex Ante beforehand. You could know where you will be afterwards. The downside, clear, bright line rules is sometimes that are unfair, sometimes align where resolved, in particular case, where you say, will GOSH that rule. all dinner on fairness for this particular person because of some weird circumstances. On the other hand, standards where things are flexible, they kin bond two of its unfair to do this here. Let's not do it here, if it's fair to do with their let's do it there, so you can respond to the exigencies of the circumstance, but the price. With standards of their unpredictable. It's hard to predict on the front end what the answer will be Alright assizes is a structural rule that you want players in our society, whether individuals, whether

people looking at the civil law, where the people of the criminal law, whether companies to be able to predict the outcome and so if you know are there is this precedent, so the courts will follow this precedent, then good order, your behavior accordingly and say: ok, here's what the I just got her lawyers. I ask what the law is in. You can know what it is that that has an advantage. You want stability, you dont want the law. She. enjoying Willy nilly but starry night. Decisive, is not absolute. There are times and precedents are wrong and precedents are overturned and the courts have laid out rules for when precedent shall be, oh, should be overturned and in the rules looked to things like have there been as the lab and settled have people had reliance interest on it. Has, though, has the law proven administrators?

as it proven sometimes there's a bad decision that just produces chaos in the court's say: okay, this didn't work. The court's also Are more willing to follow starry decisive for a statutory question, then they are for a constitutional question. No. Why is that? Because a statutory question, which is the interpretation the federal law passed by Congress sign a law by the president. If the court's get it wrong, Congress can change the statute. Does that sometime so it? So? If there's a statutory question, the court's get it wrong. Congress has the ability to fix it. So there is a higher protection for STAR decisive in that instance, because you want the predictability, even if the court gotta wrong with respect to the constitution

there is more of a view that that a constitutional decision, if it is wrong, can be revisited so, for example, that the most famous ah overturning of of a precedent, was plenty versus Ferguson which upheld separate but equal and upheld that discrimination in schools and Brown Verses Board of Education overturn policy. That was the right thing to do, that that Brown was the right decision policy, was wrong during the argument and dogs. You had the springboard justices asking the council. Well, ok, look here! All the decisions we ve overruled may licit, some big ones Why? RO meet that standard, but

How willing a justices to overrule precedent that varies justice by just, as I will say, by the way, as a final point on this, the liberals, it's not that their devoted a star, decisive. They don't believe a star decisive at all their devoted a left wing outcomes. Not so they want star decisive to be followed for less. When decisions so Rovers is weighed for them start assizes is critically important cause they support row. They don't want start assizes when it comes to Heller, which is the court's decision upholding the second amendment keep it bear arms. The liberals would emerge. We overrule Heller, then once started assizes when it comes to citizens. United with protects our political speech and the right to engage and an end and criticise politician, Since they disagree with citizens united, they would overturn it. So, particularly for the last, when it comes to starry decisive, that is usually an excuse for whatever policy

outcome they want, because the last views the courts as as really very little different from a super legislature enacting the policy they agree with right as out we have to get to win. We don't have time we're watching it really fine fashion for The verdict was subscriber pool here in just a second. But let me ask you a very quick yes or no question is thereupon. Melanie that Sharon De France, that Sharon could be overturned at the Supreme Court level. So, yes, I think, there's a good possibility, especially deal Gore. Such has been quite critical. A chaperone Devereux deference it's a doctrine that has come under more more criticism. I think I think there is a real possibility, chevrons overture, because the latter as they have in the past. Decade has overshot, they overshot on their abuse, and the american people want to reject it. Ok, this is a really funny question. I saw this on it's not it's, not a policy question at all. This is from Paul on the verdict. Plus community pulses is ten short for Theodore,

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