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oh, that you and other senators met with President Zalewski. I know that you met with President binds New Supreme Court. nominee. I there is a lot to get too, but first I want to get to the thing that hits just a home for dollar and seventeen sent national average for gasoline. Per gallon over five bucks per gallon in California The answer is we stop taking the russian oil, we start taking the venezuelan oil, we dont drill for any oil at home what is going on in the energy sector? Well, on energy, we ve seen since pretty much the instant Joe Biden became president. We ve seen the price of energy go and up and up and up loose in the price of oil go up and up wish in the price of natural gas going up and up wishing the price a gasoline going up enough and an that's not a surprise that is cause and Effect Biden came in with an aggressive agenda designed

weaken and a cripple domestic energy production. You know it's interesting right now. The White House is talking point fact. Biden said this today, they realise that their exposed on inflation, the people are unhappy with inflation and in particular their unhappy without prices of skyrocketed at at at the gas pomp, and so there talking points now, it's all put its Putin's fault. All of it is prudent. Well, there is the little problem of facts literally Biden, first day in office, he shut down the Keystone pipeline. That was eleven thousand jobs destroyed with a stroke of the pen eight. Under those jobs were union. Jobs are also the first day in office. He halted all new leases on federal lines. Now that's both on shore and also offshore, so just shut down new production also early on in the administration, he halted developing Anwar. Anwar is a tiny little strip up of land

go where there are vast oil reserves, massive reserves as part of the twenty seventeen tax got Congress authorize the development of Anwar Joe Biden gets in and shuts down all of those had their intended effects. And if you look at last dear, we saw the rig counts, the number of rigs that are drilling for oil that are drilling for natural gas plummet. That was by designed by the way, the Biden why The house also wrote their Owen be rode into their rules that no federal funds will go to any infrastructure that benefits directly or indirectly oil and gas, which, among other things, has Texas ports freaked out, because if the standard is dry, clear, indirectly, every port in Texas, every road in Texas, every highway in Texas Benefits directly directly oil and gas. This has been a relentless war on oil and gas, and so now the hot spots abiden design

oh the reason gases hires, because a Putin is just utter crap. Before potent invaded UK gasoline prices has had read, risen, forty eight percent under Joe Biden and it's a simple cause and effect when you reduce supply price goes up and this instance. In twenty nineteen, the United States under President trumps policies became energy independent. We were a net energy exporter, we are largest producer in the world of oil and natural gas last year, and twenty twenty one, we lost our status of energy and depend were now in that energy importer, because Joe Biden actively aggressively work to throttle production, and you know what he's still doing it. Even with the crisis in Europe that he created even with the mess in Ukraine that he created here

still not willing to green light. You asked production and an end its it so he's trying instead to play a poetic blame game of saying the consequences of his policies at all, because a boot now, ok, I think you have totally disabused people of the Putin ate my homework excuses that getting from Joe Biden everything that's gone wrong. It's all Putin's vault Russia, Russia, Russia, where we heard that before hits or back. That has been the constant refrain of the last step many years at this point. But what do you make of the White House talking? Point Jen Saki in particular, has been pushing this that, regardless of keystone, regardless of all these other energy policies, that Biden has put into place, these oil companies have plenty of opportunities to drill. They have got lots of leases that they're not using and

they can use those up first before we worry about Anwar before we start talking about projects like the Keystone pipeline is is this is this is a case where we should, as the Democrats seem to be suggesting, blame the oil industry is It's not the government. Look at the industry says so it's utterly asinine and I had a reporter. capital asked me about this today and I couldn't help but laugh and market and said you know it's almost like the White House is talking. Points are being written by an eighteen year old in turn fresh from his college socialism ass. He was no idea how oil and gas is produced, no idea how actually markets work. So their theory is the oil coming KEN drill for oil and gas. They can get it in mind. You a trading at a hundred thirty bucks a barrel, but they don't want to that it's ok, there's a technical term for that which is a dumb ass theory. That's as an economic start right, let like idiots cruelly idiotic. Look there

Georgia leases that are granted, but many of them were granted for projects that are not viable for all sorts of different reasons, and so you look at any producer. They analyze and if there is a viable project, that the cost of production is less and significantly less than the projected revenue it will produce. That's when they green light. The project and the problem is that that the Biden Administration has taken a lot of those projects off one of the reasons that that projects don't get Greenland is because there are pipelines to deal with with the output. So let's say you want to drill for natural gas, and you ve got a bunch of resources there. Well, if you can't build a natural gas pipeline, It doesn't do any good to drill fanatic azure drill for natural gas and you can't get it anywhere it it's. It's ironic that that that Saki says well Keystone, doesn't matter Keystone

wasn't. Drilling permit, was a pipeline to bring the oil from the canadian tar sands down the United States and by mixing the pipeline it prevents us from accessing that oil and by the way one of the administrations talking points is they say: ok, we're finally, gonna boycott russian oil and gas, and, let me point out I've been calling on them to boycott russian oil and gas. When they first put sanctions in Biden exempted. oil and gas never mind that that Putin's majors the revenue as oil and gas. He literally exempted the thing that was funding the war on Ukraine, but when he did. Finally, when you had Republicans and Democrats just pounding the heck out of the White House, fire Finally, this week, Biden gave in and announced a boycott of russian oil and gas, but their justified there saying well,

The russian oil and gas is, is heavy sour crude. So so we, they go to Venezuela, where you have the same type of crude well. Look: Venezuela is Nicholas Madeira, Who is a dictator who is ill legitimately, seize power, more murders and tortures as citizens. You know well you have heavy sour crude in Canada in the town sands, its literally what keystone was going to bring to the United States that Biden shut down, and- and so I get a crazy suggestion- why We rely on oil from our friends the last I checked, Canadians are invading anybody. There nice, they're kind of cold, but they're, really nice and they're not baiting anybody, and so instead of running around it's bizarre. This Biden White House. They want their down in Venice when last week they had administration officials, in Venezuela trying to open up and by oil.

From Venezuela, therein, Vienna right now, negotiating and ran deal. Trying to I'm from Moran and apparently they think that sending billions of dollars to Maduro and the Ayatollah, while both of them hate him While the Ayatollah is funding terrorism against american chanting: death to Amerika! That's a better. he added them. Then putting canadian oil and gas or even worse from their perspective, actually allowing Americans to develop our own damn race does and create jobs in our own damn countries. It is bizarre that this is the part that really hard to wrap your head around, because I agree with you even considering Justin Trudeau, Prime Minister Castro, up there in Canada, who is not exactly a wonderful leader that debt don't be making paternity

out about about Canada there? Now I would never. I never meant to insinuate in any way that Fidel Castro is obviously the the father of just a. I would never say such a thing. I'm glad you didn't insinuate that still, I would rather deal with the Canadians, then the Venezuelans or the Iranian. How is it the case that you can say Russia, bad so we're not gonna buy oil from Russia instead, we're gonna buy it from the Ayatollah and, I guess Then my question is: if we were dealing with a well at all, why would we not do it here and in is the argument that the White House is making that really we just need to get America off of oil in time? I am an onto windmills and I don't know unicorn two years and whatever sustainable source of energy they want to know. Is that a legitimate alternative? So it's not in it? We don't have nearly enough. Pretty

gender provide for our energy needs, its unreliable, for example, at times of freezing in bad weather, solar and wind work very on reliably and its also terrible for the environment. So you look at, for example, the Europeans, the Europeans have gone. Very green and their hurting the environment. Why? Because they shut down like they shot down their nuclear plants, many of their nuclear its and now they realise that the wind and solar is is, is very unreliable, so their opening coal plants there literally going backwards. You know, if you look in recent years at that free on planet earth that reduced carbon emissions the most more than any other country on earth. It is the United States. Why is that?

The principal reason is the widespread substitution of natural gas for coal in the production of electricity in everyone likes to say, get a test lobbying, that's what binds it by a Tesla. Well, the last I checked the electricity you put in your Tesla, it's not coming from those unicorn tears, it's not coming from pixie. Does it's coming from a power plant and those? our plants. By and large there either burning coal or their burning natural gas and by the way, if you replace a coal plant with a natural gas plant, it pollute pollutes much much less. It releases much much less carbon. So if the environmentalist actually meant what they said, they would be the most full throated advocates

of natural gas on the planet because number one the United States and in particular Texas, is the Saudi Arabia of natural gas. In the largest reserves on planet earth. We ve got enough natural gas to literally provide for the world and to do that would enable much of the world a shift from coal to natural gas, which would produce a massive reductions in pollution and greenhouse, gas, but they don't want to do that. They just hate natural gas and they want to see it go out of business and their ok with with developing countries relying on coal instead and polluting more in the hope that one day in the future that that Dell erect windmill. I mean it really is irrational and by the way, if the only criterion you cared about was the environment, you don't care about inflation, even care about jobs. You care about nothing else, but the environment. On that criterion, the bided ministrations and absolute failure. You shut down

he stone pipeline. They transport that the oil, either using trucks and trains to the south, to the United States or on ships to the West, to China, both of those pollute more and they got a higher risk of spills and their results. Abiden. The United States in the world are polluting, more and emitting more greenhouse gases as a result of their supposedly green policies and here's one other point: what is Biden done? Reduced? U S, energy production and shifted more of our energy somethin to foreign oil and gas to two foreign on gas from countries like Russia from the Middle EAST, all of which are dirtier. So I want you to understand their shifting from relatively clean production in the United States that pollutes less to overseas production that pollutes more and emits more carbon, but it. But let's John Kerry feel good about himself as a boards gorgeous private jet and flies all around lecturing

on the need to go into poverty. Well, listen. John Kerry gives special a really special well now in that special ok. Now I want to get to your meeting with Graham President's on Wednesday. I are you old enough to remember data carbon. The church, lady, of course, is the last time ass. It was funny, ok that just barely two I was I was still a wheel, add at the time, but but note knows where I'll see our days when as an ally, she told jokes are, let me ask you this, which, which was better carvings, corbies, impression of George Herbert Walker, Bush or carvings impression of rasper wow. You know I I impartial to the Bush impersonation. I also love that Bush invited him to the White House to do it at the White House Christmas Party, but Ross Perot is great to and still I think, neither of them hold a candle to nor Mcdonald's Bob dull norm. Donald bobbed always inspired, but I gotta say when Bush forty one is on with data carving carbon is to do in a bush, would go Knocker debt

get in the way carbureted now get up now get up, then I push like what's naga, That's not english. I dont say that and then by Comparison Ross, probably just it there's a giant sucking sound. Mexico, a sucking sound. It was side splitting the funding that this has nothing to do with anything there it. There is a connection, because Dana Corbies Naga was almost as incoherent as

by an energy policy, which is why I have only one more question DAS. Before we move on to your meeting with President's Lansky and- and I I just want it so that I have ammo the next time that a leftist gives me talking point, I want to be able to answer that. What what gents Aki in the White House and Joe Biden are all saying right now is the reason that it won't matter, even if we have american domestic energy production or of a sorry, specifically, oil and natural gas production, is listen, oil and natural gas, those errors a global markets and so that the price of gasoline at the pump it's gonna very based on what's going on in Russia, based on what's going on in Saudi Arabia, based on, what's going on in IRAN, no matter what we

you on the american side of oil production, and so because of that we just got a ditch oil entirely and move on to windmills and solar and pixie dust. So look for an administration that hates oil and gas. They sure do a lot aghast lighting, because there that that there, arguments are just ass in them, and I mean I, I really want Biden or Saki or Harris to try to just address economics, one o on your first econ class in college, and they explain the most basic rule of mix with just supply and demand. You got supply and demand and the two intersect as the price, and so if, if if supply goes up, then the price goes down,

if, on the other hand, the man goes up, then the price goes up and the intersection between those two determines where the prices, what has Joe Biden presided over supply going down going down dramatically, but not just supply. If you look at futures, futures are price, not just present supply, but the expectations of future supply. When you put in a regulatory zealots that are talking about the methane rule that are tart talking about going after fracturing than that are expressing a manifest hostility to oil and gas, people don't want to invest in the future, and so people are anticipating not just current supply. Their anticipating future supply of american production is going to be reduced because these guys or sell itself, for example, if you

want to defeat Russia. If you want to stop the russian WAR with Ukraine there to tools, you rely on number one as weapons for Ukraine and we'll talk about that. The minimum talk about celebrity, but number two is energy. If you look at Putin, the source of his power is that he is a petro tyrant. He earns his rabbit. In fact, I was looking at some of the stats, so Russia is the number three oil producer in the world is responsible for little more than ten percent of the global supply oil in twenty twenty Russia produced ten point: five million barrels per day in total petroleum liquid fuels, Russia's also the second largest producer of dry natural gas in twenty twenty. It produced twenty two point: five trillion cubic feet now the United States imported roughly eight percent of our oil from Russia about six hundred and seventy two

thousand barrels that we brought in, and so that's what we just boycotted. Although interesting enough, the oil companies are already cut off the Russian. Ports. I think they anticipated this and recognise in the face of this war. There no upside to bring in russian oil set? So we were already seeing that russian oil drop, but if you look at Putin source of power both present day and future, what he is counting on is that Europe addicted to his oil and gas, is counting on that massively the no matter what he does. He invade Ukrainian Bates Poland, the involve aids. In Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania invades Finland as well about an earlier pod. His speech suggested he wanted to invade all of those countries. He's can on Europe is like a crack at it has to have that russian gas. It has to have that russian gas that's the source of his power. If you want to really weakened Putin, if you want to get the oligarchs to rise up,

the old KGB, guys to rise up and say enough already Vladimir you're out here. The best way to do so is threatened the long term revenues of Russia from oil and gas to how do you do that? One step in the right step is cutting off you s purchases, but but today, Biden,

under Secretary of State Torreon Newland was was testify in front of formulations, and I asked her I said: look: is Europe going to cut off oil and gas and she basically said no- and I said well, are you? Are you guys pressing Europe to do so and she dropped her feet, but basically, what she said is no we're not pressing them to do so. Here's why they're not pressing them to do so, because the only way they could get Europe to stop importing natural gas and oil is to ramp up? U S, production, to replace that natural gas and oil. We got the reserves to do it. We have the resources to do it, but, for example, right now and the Bite administration, there are pending six separate applications to export liquid natural gas by an administration just sitting on them the state Union. Last week I pulled Tony blanket the Secretary of State aside, I said if you want to do something to hurt Putin,

by not go on national television and sign, approve those applications instantaneously in the morning. I asked for renewal today: is the administration gonna do that She. How Menachem phenomena would answer that question? Does the answer is? No, they don't want to produce more here, which means they're. Fine with Europe continue to import from Russia and, as long as that happens, Putin has a revenue stream to fall, and war in European and sadly, that's what's happening in its. Why also their incoherently saying what about a swell and go to rally mention one other thing that is truly incoherent. So today. President Biden announced that the boycott on russian oil and gas also this week, is expected that Biden will announce a new deal with a random they are,

in Vienna right now negotiating a new deal with ran. It was expected to come out several days ago. And there was suddenly a wrinkle thrown in at the last minute, the Russians came in the last couple of days is that when a whole lot of second you're not getting a deal with a red if it's grey impact us negatively. Are these sanctions you're putting on us going to end de ran and I'll. Tell you what Biden in their administration said none No, we love. I told you so much you don't worry VLAD. These sanctions aren't gonna Have you at all with the ran? So literally, results of the IRAN deal and I think we will get it in the next day or two are going to be that Russian Putin will make. billions off of a ran in their somehow exempted from everything they announced today will make billions offer the ran? Not just oil and gas but also they want to make Russia that the leading nuclear nuclear-

thirty four year ran, which will benefited enormously and Russia wants to sell, ran billions in weapons and missiles and weaponry to attack their neighbors. So Biden is simultaneously sanctioning Russia, Subsidizing Russia with the IRAN deal. It is completely incoherent. They know it but it's where, where their ideology takes right right, they ve been, they ve been pushing for this. Iran yeah I'll ever, since they got the first one that it went away and so that that was all is going to happen, even if it contradicts other parts of of the policy. So I guess this brings us to the warring Ukraine. You met with President's a landscape he piped in to the U S Senate. happened, so he did we had this weekend. We had a video conference call, and so it as on computer in and it was, it was catacomb These are not yet I'm kind of combat a combat t shirt.

Underground, undisclosed bunker and we were all asked, do not put out anything publicly about this call until after the call. Obviously, his location is closely guarded secrets that if Putin and the Russians could kill him They would and he started the call by telling all of us. This may be the last time you ever speak to me ever hear from me and and He is leading a war and doing a remarkable job of it. You know when the bad administration tried to evacuate him. So Lansky said I need ammunition early to ride ride the conversation with he was a very interesting conversation. He said several things. one thing he said clearly and unequivocally. He said. If the United States had imposed sanctions on Nord stream to last year, Putin would not have invaded Ukraine. He said it flat out, and every member of Congress heard it

call net call, as we've talked about ad nauseam. That's what I was fighting tooth and nail for and Biden didn't want to enter those sanctions he wanted to capitulate to Putin, which is why we have the biggest war in Europe since one thousand nine hundred and forty five says world war. HU this this is a big deal. Senator yes, the because you know we ve set it. You know what we hate to say. We told you so No, we don't. We actually kind of like that, each other, although its serious topic, but but a very serious topic, but that that's why it so important, though, is this. This was it

you that, yes, you saw pretty clearly a lot of other conservative saw it too and said you know. This is a big deal guys. You think this is just a little tit for tat with Putin. It's not. This could be the difference between war and peace, and so you were calling for that sort of thing. And yet, when we talk about it it sometimes it can sound as though it's just a cheap, partisan shot at this. Isn't it she partisan shot? You ve got the president of Ukraine himself, saying exactly what we said on this show weeks and months ago. This Nord stream to pipeline was the difference between war and peace. It is why Putin did not invade Ukraine in twenty nineteen or twenty twinning and

why he did invade Ukraine this year, because in twenty nineteen and twenty twenty we had the sanctions legislation that I'd authored the trumpet signed an and twenty twenty one Biden wave those sanctions and gave a multi billion dollar generational gift, Putin and an invitation a golden ticket come invade. Ukraine and and and Biden, took him up. Our Putin took him up on it, so that was one peace that I thought was very important. Zaleski said Zaleski also said he had always a number of us asked. What do you need boast and what he needs most as weapons and and he needs stingers any needs javelins and, and we ve been providing him some. The bite administration is drag their feet. They ve been very slow on it twice last year in April, in December, they froze military aid to Ukraine, because

they were trying to pressure Ukraine to concede and make to appease Russia. They finally were gilded into and so were providing them some javelins and stingers which their using to perform. Far in the war than than Putin expected, but once the Lansky so he needs more than anything else or fighter Jetsam and he said, listen. Control of the air is critical in he says right now. Russia has control of the air and he says we need the jets, but he also said we ve got the pilots. Ukrainian pilots are ready to fly them, but we need the jets and so what what he was, what he was urgently asking us for is. If, if you provide the fighter jets for us, we can fly and combat weakened defeat the russian jets. Now, what what is striking is in the Senate. There is almost universal agree.

meant that providing Ukraine with fighter and jets is incredibly important. Republicans agree on that and Democrats agree on that. Anna and I've been in meetings with multiple senators, both d and are pounding the heck out of the bag administration. here's the curious thing. You know who disagree with that. The by demonstration they don't want to provide Ukraine with at an end and where it has real bite. So the jets that the ukrainian pilots know how to fly or me in a rather part of the Soviet Union member member that the Soviet MEG's murmured, the movie top gun the make that their that flies upside down afflicts the bird Tom cruise. So those are the the jets that that the ukrainian pilots are trained on their a whole bunch of MEG's in Poland, because Poland also was was controlled by the Soviet Union. So they have got migs

And so the natural solution was for Poland to allow Ukraine to use the mix and let ukrainian pilots fly in and in combat use them. Well, Poland was asking, say: hey, that's fine with us, But will the? U S back there? Will you will you provide us with F sixteen so that we are not left with no jobs to protect our country, which was a reasonable request? If they're going to step up and help help out there labour than than the U S should help and what is amazing. The binding administration really really didn't want this to happen, so the bite administrations, public stance was Poland can do what it wants. Poland is a sovereign country you decide if you want to give the migs or not it's up to you. We don't have any views or yellow Joe by no view at all on whether or not Ukraine should get the finer jets defend their people against Russia Invader.

Conquering them. We don't have a view. The Biden, White House, it's up to you, Poland, I can tell you I've been up the by dead men say: why aren't you urging Poland do that? Why aren't you saying sure we will make sure the f? Sixteen available for you to back still make this happen. This is what Zaleski said he needs is what both Democrats and Republicans and the sedative said. Let's make happen, while Poland, I think, got frustrated because the Biden White House was clearly play and again they were sent a We said Pauline can do it, but you know the poles they're just not helping those those temperamental poles, help the Ukrainians has not ashamed. So Poland today did something really quite extraordinary, which is they flew that flew the bags to a? U S, therefore, base. They said our near him: eggs they're, yours barriers, do it you want, so they just called by

his bluff, because he saying oh, it's the poles, they don't want again there like here, they're yours, we're happy for Ukraine to take em. So now, while the Biden Admin is like a crap net, now we have the migs that they want so so the Pentagon put out today. No, no, no, we're not gonna, let let the Ukrainians have these MEG. So now the polish mags that Ukraine wants and needs the Biden Admin is saying now we won't provide you with those those fighter jets its consistent with what they have done for years, where's for over a year and actually gone back to Obama prior to that starving the Ukrainians, a military assistance, because they're afraid of angering Putin now is that is there a legitimate fear here, though, that you, if you're, trying to get the Migs from Poland to Ukraine, you're you're, probably not going to tow them across the border in a fly the men and so your flying into contested airspace? Is there? Is there

Fear that Russia shoots down one of these plans and all of a sudden were were enough of full on war between NATO and Russia. So, of course, an end and that's why we ve talked about this at length. That's why I I strongly oppose America imposing a no fly zone on Ukraine, because the way you impose a no fly zone is you put your fighter jets up in the air with a promise to shoot down anyone else's up in the air and end that is inviting direct combat between american troops and russian troops, and that is an incredibly dangerous powder keg that I think would be really foolhardy to to risk. What we should be doing is providing the weapon rate. Ukrainians defend themselves, so what Ukraine is perfectly happy to do as send their pilots right to the plains and put ukrainian pilots in the plane, and let him fly back so listen if the russian shoot him down with

Cranium Pilot, that's part of warfare. They can shoot at each other and that's right. That is there going to be in combat anticipated that the Russians will show The Ukrainians and Ukrainians will shoot at the Russians. What I dont want is the russian shooting at Americans and end the Biden. Admin. Has this weird view that well were giving them stinger, missiles and javelins which their using to shoot down lanes and a shoot tanks and to kill russian soldiers, but somehow providing them with planes is due from a singer, Javelin and Anne, and I'm I'm not sure how that distinction makes any difference if we're providing the weapons that are killing russian soldiers, whatever degree of complicity Putin wants to put on us, we got already right and the out. So what Biden is arguing publicly is Ukraine doesn't need that's no, not Windsor, Lansky told every member of Congress. What I need more than anything is fighter. Gettin heeded We mean it here. I need

cats and we're not going provided and it's their orientation is weakness. They believe Russia will And that that their consigned to a russian victory, so there are already managing the loss and, and they don't have any vision that Ukraine can or should win at, and it is reminiscent of the sixty and Seventys. When Democrats view the Soviet Union, as as as the answer was detente, which I've joked is french for surrender, the bind administration cannot invasion this that our object here should be potent loses, and Ukraine remains a free country. Now we're not gonna send american soldiers to make that happen, but the two weapons We have our number one military equipment, so the Ukrainians can fight and defend

own homeland. A number two using energy aggressively to cut off Putin's revenue Streams Biden is too scared and timid to fully use either one of those well that the message from the lens ski seems clear enough and yet not being filtered through the White House. You, you heard it from him during I do want to turn from the foreign sphere to the domestic sphere for a second, you also met with Joe Biden Supreme Court nominee this week. Someone who actually you know from our way back in your law school days. Yes, I met with Khatami Brown Jackson. I've known her. She was she was a year behind me law school. So I was class a ninety five at Harvard LAW School. She was class in ninety six, we're both an the together. So the Laura View has a total of of eighty students on it there, forty second year, students and forty third year students, and so She was. She was a two hour when I was a three hour, so we were on it together and I knew her

we're friendly with each other. We work close. We work particularly friends, but you know. Eighty students is not that many in you, basically the building that the lot of you as it is called Granite house and and basically the law who editors are all nerds that are engaged in house all the time studying and working, and so newer and in law school. She was friendly she smiled a large, she was well thought out. She's well liked him and she was. She was a capable smart, ah well liked law, student. And I sat down and met with her just under an hour in my office today, an end

I would say all of that- but you know by all appearances as good as continue Qixi personally, can be very charming. She smiles and laughs easily. I she's very bright she's, very capable. We spent a lot of time talking about talking about her experience in law school talking about her experience, clerking on the Supreme Court, she clerked for Justice Breyer. I clerk for chief justice Rehnquist with a couple years apart clerking, but we talked about that experience. We talked about why she wanted to be a judge. We talked about her Juris Prudential approach, but you know we saw this in her confirmation hearing for the Dc Circuit she's, very guarded. What she'll say about address for ten proud she has not. She doesn't have the kind of paper trail that some Supreme Court nominees have where they said bunches of things that are clearly incriminating. in some ways? It reminds me of John Roberts. You know John Robert.

When he was nominated me chief justice? He had lived and entire life being very careful with what he said so that there was nothing you could point to. That would be disqualifying, go to go to the court and an Khatami reminds me in some ways about that. She has been very careful in what she said now. I still expect we'll have a vigorous confirmation hearing, but but she is gonna, be. I think she is charming and and will acquit herself well in the hearing we'll see what what I expect to be a a vigorous examination of her record and we'll see what the outcome is from there. So you're saying that she is going to be a tough nominee to be look particularly given that barring

I'm saying a big smoking gun that nobody knows about now. Every Democrat will vote force of nothing. Else happened, and they got all. The Democrats should get confirmed right. You'd have to think there is a real likelihood that several Republicans vote, for I mean the natural people you would start to think about would be Susan, Collins and lay summer Cowskin Mitt Romney would be some It was certainly a possibility. Linsey Graham voted for her last time. All. He's mad. That Biden didn't pick pick the South Carolina judge you wanted so maybe Linsey votes now and for that or I could see a retiring republican senator to voting for so that's that

I am coming in their their salmon republican leadership that are saying well, don't pick a fight, don't just just just kind of let this go forward. I gotta to say what what I'm urging the conference's listen, we shouldn't get nasty and personal. We shouldn't behave like the Democrats did on Brett Cavenaugh. We should engage in personal slurs and slander, but we oughta have a vigorous process that questions her on the record, because these issues matter and and I think most of the Republicans agree with that, but maybe not everybody. Well, I do like the idea that we will not be grilling her and sank autonomy. Do you still like beer? You know that that that's it there, the unfit for the process set. So I'll tell you a couple of interesting just moments from from meeting in my office number one when she was there

My offered heard everyone there are some cuban coffee is as as a cuban American. I sometimes when people come to my office, give we make cuban coffee and she turned down the cuban COS which I gotta say anyone that turns down coffee, I'm highly suspect I enjoyed the cuban coffee and that by the way for the crazy fact, checkers that was tongue in cheek. Secondly, interestingly enough, so so her handler her sherpa is dug Joan so Doug Jones was former democratic senator from Alabama Dogs, a nice guy served with all of us to interesting points about Doug Number one at the beginning of the Bide administration. They

Stop using the word sharper because Sherpa was culturally and sensitive to Nepal or whatever like, but apparently now with Doug they're they're, calling in the sharp I get. So I I it's hard to keep track of the politically correct ACT. Dictionary DOW Jones is not nepalese. Last time I checked, you know Doug joked and said that his friends back home or saying are you a shepherd now, Sir, which, which I believe that that that that struck me as quite quite plausible second land? I didn't I didn't plan on this, but, as I'm sitting there talking to cut out Khatami were both in in shares in between us. Is it

able, with with a bust of Winston Churchill, that I always have in my office- and I look over actually talking about Martin Luther King and I look over the table between us and I start laughing and said well, this was not planned, but but actually Doug Jones is the only senator who signature I have in this office and sitting on the table. Next to the best of Winston Churchill is a printed copy of Martin Luther kings letter from a Birmingham jail and when dog was in the Senate, he started a tradition of reading the entirety of letters. Birmingham jail on the floor. The Senate need did. It is a bipartisan. He invited six senators to participate, so I participated a couple a different years in reading a portion from the letter from the Birmingham jail, which is such a powerful moving

peace and I had read it in school, but it had been decades as I read it, and just having the chance a re read it, but bade read it out loud to hear the words out loud and one of the things people forget about the letter from Birmingham jail is directed. It is addressed you know to whom its addressed. I remember now to the members of the clergy, because Doktor king was also Reverend King and it is a letter to christian pastors ah too, to stand up against racism and stand up against evil in there's a great portion and eight where he says the church and leaders in the church. We should be a thermostat and not a thermometer. In other words, we shouldn't just select the temperature of those around us, but rather the leaders of the church should be influencing those around us with truth and with justice and credibly powerful. So I had them the bound copy, the letter from various jail.

Doug gave me inside and adjust it always sits in my office. I didn't put it out their cause. He was coming, but I did kind laugh and well reason dug it you're the one guy who signatures sitting in here now book before we move on mine, others a lot to talk about on cloakroom. I do have to ask you this. This is just the eternal optimist in May known this woman for a long time, you just met with her. It looks like she's gonna make it through to the court. Historically, republican nominated justices have disappointed the present and who have nominated them. That is generally not been the case with Democrat nominated justices, but you say: look there's basically no paper trail here with catastrophe. Is there any chance that it will turn out that this supreme? nominee is a secret conservative. Who's gonna, give us good, proper votes on the bench, and lots of conservative jurisprudence. Now, ok

enough and by the way, Michael, you will be interested. I actually asked her that question. Did you and what I said. As I said? Listen, let me tell you a perspective that that millions of conservatives have across the country said all across the country. That perspective is when Democrats when Democrats nominate justices their justice is a hundred percent of the time in the big cases vote exactly like the Democrats want em to without fail and Republicans when republicans nominate justices were terrible at it, and more than half of republican nominees vote against conservative principles over and over and over again

and I'd Astor previously about justice is growing in office, and I said it seems when a justice grows and offers us always in one direction. It's always to the left. No one ever grows more conservative and our answer. She basically is like now, and I said what do you think about that? I guess the millions of people that believe that, what's your reaction to that is how I asked the question and she's like no. No, I don't see that at all. I did she just kind of peace. Did ignorance? I don't know what you're talking about. I have no views about that at all and an end it was. It is part and parcel of the game that Biden nominees play at every confirmation hearing. they're like no, no. I have no views on that. Note. Never thought of that! No have no idea. No, I don't know anything about that. You know you well here right right. Yet you know that sir. So that was her response, but I asked her that question, and let me put it this way in an endowment dumb,

They said one in a million, so you say, and I got a chance gotta genes in this instance- it ain't one in a million. Well, I at least clarity. I am sorry to hear that. I'm glad you asked the question. I am glad that any hope that had. It has been totally quashed and I dont need to even entertain that any Now yet another meeting this week that I believe you're gonna. getting into on the cloakroom with our friend lives. Wheeler loses their right. That is correct. I might go here. By the way I love hearing about the behind the scenes. Stuff that's happening. I love hearing about your conversations with the tundra. on dioxin and we're gonna get into even more behind the scenes stuff over on the cloakroom on verdict. Plus, you can join us at verdict. Ted crews outcome, slash plus. I am a promo code for you. If you use a promo code cloakroom. Obviously, what else Maybe you get one one free on your annual subscription. That is the first month framework to be talking about the senators

meeting with the leaders of the people's convoy, which is the american version, obviously of the truck errors, Conway the Freedom Convoy and what exactly went down in that meeting, because the truckers have some very interesting concerns reasons why they have not yet gone into DC. And so we are going to be talking about that night and a couple great questions from the verdict plus community. Again, you can join us on verdict plus verdict with TED crews, dot com, slash plus and use promo code Cloak Rome. I can't wait. I can't wait to hear about it. I hope it will be better than the meeting with the Future Supreme Court justice. Yes, I hope that it will. I'll have to do now and in the meantime, I Michael's this verdict would take root

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