A guy far. I goods do this. How are you what the voters, what the fuck buddies, what the fucking years, what what mix fuck it man? I've gotta, Robbie Robertson, on the show. Today you is the guitar player for the band. He's got a book coming out its It's called testimony in there's also a big box set of the last waltz, which I had some nice. emotional respite watching it watching that time. Those guys all those people that were in that movie, but talking robbie, was. If you, of music yeah back when music had intent and some political purpose, and also

you're. Just there was that time, man, you know the time the crashing waves of the sixties into this. haven't ease the last gasp resurrection of american, but but it was a great deal, But look I gotta talk about something. I can't you get to a point where you really got ask yourself: what is it? What what's your responsibility personally to the country and as an american as somebody who who believes in this country. I mean this universe, refugee ban I mean I haven't been sweeping and I wake up with nightmares and I wake up with you know. italo nightmares. I'm sure a lot of you understand what I'm saying. What in saying the issue is this like? It this is not the refugee ban It is no longer a right wing. Left wing issue. It's not about republicans are Democrats is not about conserved,

In liberals I mean it's really about. being an american sir Actually I mean to remind everyone that you know have the privilege to live in this country and because that we have a moral duty to protect, oppressed people and will allow asylum to those who seek it. That's that's what this countries about, I mean it One who calls himself the president of the united states of america wants to prevent us from executing moral duty than that in its being a shitty american and I have to mention names because it's about america and its our responsibility as citizens, to override that that moral transgression, that disregard for america, in principles and foundations,.

I mean seriously. You should not be able to be afforded the freedom to this country if you can't protect and uphold them for others. This is an american thing. It's in its being, the good american and look if you're Anger or ideology, or mangled religious beliefs have disabled you from being capable of compassion mercy, empathy charity, decency. I guess I'm not speaking to you, so you can sit there, few. If you are an craddock with loyalist or a totalitarian apologist, and you know that you're, ok with it. I guess I'm not speaking to you so sit there and fume turn me off if your comfort and or part- In hopes have insulated, you were, Will you

to rationalize what is happening? I'm speaking to you step up be a good american. If you are debilitated by your fear,. I know it I know it. I feel it if, in your turning inwards or trying to distract yourself, I'm speaking to you so step up, be a good american. If you, if you feel detail just or despondent, or hopeless or never eat. You never were political person. It's not too late to enjoy. Agents and civic responsibility step up be a good american. And if you are angry and engaged in fighting the good fight in an active way, thank you.

For being a good american god speed, and if you were one of thousands who protested this week and thank you, and your with the a l you or support the a c you and help to force a stay that will prevent people who were I lived with valid green cards from Deported thank you no one is helpless. If you're angry, you can do things. Are you angry good stay anger? But be focused, focus, focus, focus, This isn't a partisan agenda, it's an american agenda step up, be a good thing. Can. I also look if you're celebrity in you're planning to attend the oscars next month, particularly if your nominated, you need long and hard about that, because one of your fellow nominees has just been barred from attending by,

of presidential decree I like this town is what it is. and I want to be able to do with myself. And there is zero point in anyone doing anything having a pod he's going to award, shows entertaining ourselves if we're not gonna fight like hell tat. The foundational structures of this country that allow us to do these things in the first place. I mean you telling me: we, americans can create jobs, rebuild infrastructure, have reasonable immigration and trade policy and health care with. Being full a hate or compromising the foundations of our democracy or disregarding the constitution, I mean come on fuck. I woke up today My state representatives told them how I felt ask them to speak up, forego my support,

some donations to organisations working to support war, displaced refugee around the world, sir fuckin women and children shattered lives. Nowhere to go. The international rescue committee, I r c unicef, mercy, core doc, without borders help out step up be a good american should also donate to the a c l. U we're going to need them. This is a fight, but it's good to know.

even in a seemingly futile and hopeless situation that direct action can have direct results. No one is helpless. If you're angry, you can do things just step up. This isn't a partisan agenda. I am not being partisan. It's an american agenda. All right, ok with a high. I guess I should point out that I am recording this on saturday.

it could have gone down yesterday for better or for worse. I dont know how right you know when I got the opportunity to speak to Robbie Robertson. I was excited I not now miss, but there is. There is a lot there in and I dont know when you grew up and I sort of missed the sixties and and and the time that followed. I was born in nineteen sixty three, so those band records came out and what sixty nine seventy two, and so I not formed, but it was around me it's it's strange, your what we are nostalgic for and what we reach back to in these times of horror and discontent. You know the america that yeah- that I get nostalgic for yeah, it's sort of music, centric and sort of what I took in when I was a young person

there is a it everything everything seemed exciting and radical and you know like important, ni late, sixties and early seventies and in I do ever a sort of two but for that my head, though I missed it emotionally, because I was a child, but music obviously, is something we all relate to and and I I hadn't seen the last waltz, which I think actually came out in the mid to late seventies. So as I was like thirteen or fourteen, but I remember seeing it the first time in the movie theater Martin scorsese's last waltz, which was the last concert of the band and all those people coming out to play with them, some of them. I didn't even know at the time, but I HU there was something sort of coming to a close and something very connected. music and something very raw and very earnest about it, and certainly the band were an earnest, but and a very unique outfit daddy I didn't go to appreciate how much later, by

to see Neil young enjoining Mitchell and morrison and muddy waters in our clapton. Pull singer and anew harris Emmy. I m sure, weeding out some, but I wasn't there and them need it now forgetting someone who s at the performance of by I watched the other night in the new blu ray. I you, I got choked up a yo, I get choked up a lot, but now just for It certainly wasn't simpler time, but it was a more focused. It was easier to see some road to her. The truth to the facts, and there was something more intimate about. The social landscape and certainly about the community these musicians and of the country I think, Maybe I'm romanticizing, but none the less, I was excited to sit down Robbie. I didn't know what to expect and it was great There is a lot of things I didn't know that should have known. I did not realise it there, the ban was the band for,

bob Dylan when he went electric and was buddha, stagers attempted due to be buddhist stage, I didn't know that should known it, but I'm glad I found out for the first time from Robbie Robertson. All right, so mister roberts, things in good form, lucid And likes to talk so as I said before, is reason memoir testimonies available. Wherever you get books in this is me, conversation with Robbie robertson from the ban yeah by this. I like this man. It's got a great, a great feel, and here wait in is: is this a garage, I think it was a garage for probably for I build nearly twenties, so is probably for that car and then I put a floor in

and then eventually moved all my shit near for my entire life. This is their report. We have all my life shit it such third nice to take it all in the end. You know it's it either, all starts out in a garage or ends up in a garage Yeah mine, ended up in the garage that could go either way to the ending in a garage that could either be a good thing. But you didn't say you didn't start in the garage well they're worth garages. You know and this house- that the band found up by woodstock that pink house a pink how's, big pink, we called a and in the basement. which I have. I dont even know that I've ever said this vienna or but when you down into the basement. It wasn't just a basement. It was a garage to a really yak, as it was a big door that could open,

you could drive a car in ok, but we never did because we wanted to use that space right making music. Instead, it's funny that that I think that environment that- and I our thinking about this and will go back in time in a minute but like it seems, that whatever happened in that house, you know with dillon. You guys seem to set the standard for for how to make that kind of music for two how to make connected sort of the? U no music, that evolves. As a group I mean it seems now there's a whole resurgence of people aspiring to be what you guys were you know at the time. when we did the basement. Take me up in this idea of making music in you're home right and in that that was

russia, because I had no real expectations to it. So it had such a relaxed atmosphere, yeah and it even was like nobody was supposed to. Here. This right in wasn't Dylan it sort of like a he was sort of kind of considering. Is mortality after an accident in just kind of hanging out at the time you know he had this accident in and a he'd hurt himself pretty bad ride yet aware, like a neck, brace fur for quite a while, but after that and when we found this house year, it became like the club right. You know we're guys would go every day and hang out icu like a street gang, yet you guys, but where there are other people hangers on pay more raw. Now, sir,

I am not too much easier and it was a place to go everyday like a workshop rise, something yeah. It turned in this, and this has been a dream of mine. If we could only have the club aus wreck where we would go every day and we could lock ourselves away the world here and create something right that we are meant to do, that. We are on a mission to do and when I took bob out there to see it, First, the universe he'd only made music really in recording studio writings and when I took him out in showed him. Yes, All of a sudden, I could see a light went off over his head and he was like it can you? Can you really make music in here, and can you put it down on tape fair All of this was a revelation and at that time nobody was doing

right. It was really unusual and it was something that I had in the back of my mind that I thought less Paul did really less at least bit when he screwing around the electronics right there? He added how right any had like an echo chain, in the side of a cliff. For young thing, I thought that's the way you do it and when I heard his record's the records that he made with mary ford they didn't sound like anything out right, How do you make a record that doesn't sound like anything else in its our own environment row, let's go, so anyway. I've been talking to the other guys in the band into bob about this for a long time and what we found that plight Zia. It was like this is it. This is valid

this is where we can go here, hang out and create induce something that has nothing to do with the rest of the world. Also, at that time you I gotta figure you now video recording in your garage. I can sit here and do a multi track record. I dont know how but young people can take the equipment, that's provided for us now, which is very easy theirs. I think, you'll cumbersome are analogue about it and and make these yeah- you know whatever they want in in a fairly small amount of time, but you guys, you must add, like you, know dozens of instruments everywhere, you're in that space, but you still gotta deal with analog equipped. So I imagine that that the the ability to really change much No, once you locked into a groove and major decisions, not a labour that you necessarily did that. Often we didn't think about it. You have the technology, g of it. We had a little real to real tape, recorder, yeah and a little tiny, mixer again a track.

no no and for no scenario is that you know it was right to track tape. Recorder, in the mixer, though so you didn't you couldn't over dub anything no, no, no, no, no, no weaken record yeah on one of the track here and then record something on the other right right right on that was possible to do right, but it was that necessary, yeah. You know however, we were gonna. Do we were gonna? Just do it was in the matter of oh, let's get some ideas they, but we did the idea of experimenting with sound and frying stuff. Winning it all to be a you know. It all had a birth there in the base right but like when you guys cause the basement cases. It is a beautiful record and you know it had a weird life. You know I did. I did a little reading on it. You know it did. You know you didn't necessarily I am to release it right right by

I have to assume that when you say experiment that you weren't you not you're, not talking about the weird sounds you hear your talk. about your creating the space fer to take these chances within the type if you did, you know you weren't looking to to do prague, music raving right yeah, I dare trucks was in here and he too about you when he was a kid he had done some recording with the with rick and leave on up in woodstock and that you know he is sort of an inspired kind of prodigy, Derek trucks. It yeah, and he said that those two guys. You know they were impressed with his playing, but I said I think they told them the advice they gave him. Was you gotta? Let it breathe man You know, and- and I think that a lot of you know the band sound and the time you guys took in the space that you are able to allow it happen within all the different instruments was really a great gift. You guys gave to music in a way that there was a. It was obviously very tight music, but there was definitely,

groove and there were space and he just felt like everyone was zalm represented in in europe early use of playing music here? It's? How much can you- you right. You know romania of your reaching in your pushing in here. you're wanting to make a big noise, a big special noise and after a while, you start to realize that takes up a lot of energy and it's not adding up to as much as when it does breeze here and that its it. It sounds spaces, sometimes between the notes that mean as much as the now. It's right answer Then you start hearing things about a hey man. It's it's what you leave us, you know and and stuff like that, so they were problem telling Derek. You know you're playing too much yet right. So when, when you say that, like he, you know by the time you got to

outside of woodstock. There I mean I just recently watched you know they sent the book over and they sent the of the big box of the last waltz and hadn't watched that in years and I get choked up watching it. I do do you ever watch it again. I I don't watch it. I've I've seen pieces. He yet and I don't watch it unless I'm working on it here. You know because I did you know her sure. What am I gonna do see and of course not writing, but I mean, but there's something about MIKE some fifty three shrine nist most of it. I was too young, but when I watch it at it just feels that there is a community and a unity and respect that everybody had for each other. That debt. That is very heartwarming to me and it just felt like that whole crew of people not just the ban, but all the people that played on their journey mitchell, neo young, then morrison, doktor john, muddy water, staple things Emily hours, every body you I'll, if I always you like ya'll, knew each other and that you know you

and you know you ran into each other on the road and the result is mutual respect and understanding of each other's music? It was. Is that real and my projecting that there was a big crossroads of music between all the artists who are involved in in the last was and it it felt like when there was people representing different parts of music yeah that we held in high respect right. We said okay, who's going to represent the music of new orleans. We gotta get doctored right area, the blues chicago blues? Don't you gotta, have muddy waters for that and am are butterfield and Paul butterfield. Yet, of course, who was an old friend of ours? The very Funny story I leave on, and I robbed yeah and Paul butterfield of his marijuana stash one time in in chicago when we first met him here and he was horrified and wanted to kill us and

and we had to figure out. We ran into a year later and we had to figure out for him not to kill us. He was a bit of a dangerous man. Was he and this all happened around- might bloom, feel sure and everything I know we're talking about. That's right inside stuff in everything but bloomfield like you, if you'd recorded with womb field. Yet by that point re up yeah, I knew like an leave honour. I went to chicago to visit with MIKE and he was going to take us around all the joints so we went, we heard muddy play and we heard older shrugged early sixties. This was probably sixty four. three guys residing or not the band. Yet, though, where the hawk the hawks were rania hawks yeah. So there's your first time of Chicago sir first I'm hanging out in chicago right on on in the blues. Were I write

so anyway, and why any amnesia butterfield playing with he added is on group, and I already yeah and now and bloomfield was planned. was handwriting right. The inverse couple, albums, yeah, yeah and Any any was so good any, but he was kind of a stream change, mean spirited guy bags, man and- and and we went over to his place for him to play us. Some old blues records right and he took out two bags of grass bloomfield talked to him bringing ogre, so he he gave us a bag of grass and he rolled a vagina from another bag of grass, and I said what would it what's the difference and he said well, that's if I gave you a shit. and this is the good stuff and has a really that's a that's- how you do it yeah and he said yan and and and he was like- I don't give a fuck- are they used for good idea? And I was like whoa

I could feel a chill in the air air yeah so leave on, and I went back to visit him the next day and he wasn't there and we went in and stole his good grass. Yet we get the landlady to the seven and a half. So anyway we got it. We we we gotta out of that without him, killing us we're in southern with that. We could invite him to the s wife thought it was still unresolved at that point. No, it was resolved by then, but anyway, all of these people and then the british blues, to have Eric clapton, representing that in country, music, Emmylou, harris and gospel. The staples shares in tin, pan alley, neil diamond- and so and morrison to represent van morrison round resent the sole singer is irish solo, singer and one best singers ever the eyed, and he was somebody that we knew. He was of wonderful and strange,

yeah yeah and and when we were first starting to put the whole thing together, we had Well, we would invite Ronnie hawkins, who we started out with an bob dylan right to real important people in our story in our back wrapper and then somebody said well, if you're going to invite them, you got to invite airy, clapton right wearily, that's right! We're going to invest, Eric was the one waving the flag for the band vary greatly yet very early on you. You want to quit playing because you guys almost yeah. He that's what he said that he he quit cream the out because of after he heard music from big bank. What do you think it was about big pink that made him like heavy talk to him about it? Or do you have you thought about that? What do you think cause he like when you listen clapton?

did after cream. Was it he, after that sort of amalgamation of of of american music styles that you guys represent? What do you think it was in that recorded, made aircraft and go like thou fuck it up here? I go into detail on this in in my book, but I think this kind of like what we were talking about before when we made music from big pink. We already been together for, like six or seven year, visa, so we knew what to leave out right subtleties were as important. An end in the group was playing with. It was called bashing you over the head, your music, big relations right between the eyes, all the time yeah and in in when musicians heard music from big pink. They thought, oh, my god, listen! This has a depth to it this as space. It has air in it right, it's really about the soul.

into the surface it, so it struck people in a different kind of way in all different forms, the soul. You know younger. You know it's informed by country by soul by folk by the blues that made it all seems to creep in somehow again because unintentionally, I imagine all those years that we ve been out there playing and find that shitless circuitry on south and playing everywhere. We were picking up all these music cow these by the side of the road, primarily with ronnie ronnie and then after we left ronnie and in before we joined up with bob dylan, but all of these music calories were starting to come in

who are full right and when we were making big pink, it was like taking all of these pieces of music here, putting him in a big ball of gumbo annexing it up. Right because when that record came out which really shocked me at the time peoples have where the hell did this come from right. What is that s right and, unlike what do you mean? What is this? This is what happens when you, when you would shed and you heather yeah, and you want to do something that is not trendy, was it like in your mind, like during the time of recording big pink, were you guys sitting there saying that or was it happening organically organic? So, like a lot, at you retro, nobody. Nobody ever talked like that. Now I wouldn't think so. No you just found a groove or whatever you were doing and he worked it out, and I think that's interesting that you know as you

followed into your own band that, because you were so accustomed to playing behind other people, that you had an intuition with each other, because you are tracked you, your communication with the members of the band you had been very tuned, gives you know at the front. I was gonna do necessarily or how what was going to happen is that true, one of the things that was oh, such a feeling of achievement from the last whilst concert mia, was we play, aid with every body from Joanie mitchell to muddy waters. We played twenty one saw yeah that we hard We had an opportunity to run over with anybody right. We had no cheat, she lay nobody read music garth, read music, but none of the rest this. Could even read music if we had she cheated,

to remember all those songs by all of these different peoples and nobody screwed up since it was an achievement with we think the guinness book of records right here tonight, so. That moment, where I watch d, I watch it tom petty documentary recently and when they won on the road dylan they you know they were such a sort of like a very kind of anal outfit in terms of playing, and they said something about it, in that like yeah, there were times when you're backing dylan, where you don't the ways you can go into yeah he likes to mix it up a little bit now there seem to be a moment in the last, whilst when he moved from the first under the second song, where I think he said DE seven or something that you did, he impulsively decide the next song. At that moment,. We felt that we had a musical relationship that we were fearless on what he might wanna where he might wanna go next, we had

and down the pass with bob before so we were, we were game, sure and. And we had an idea of what we're gonna play, but we knew what was said up in the air right and in what the arrangement was right in everything had a follow him yeah yeah, but with him you knew the side. We felt a clever thing with. Him and with Ronnie hawkins, write the book ends in the thing we felt like. We can handle this with everybody else, and especially with somebody like joni mitchell, right, which you know she has different tunings. It's not that you could look at her hands. figure out what korean chief, like you really had to be on your toes right and she was exquisite so much fun to play with. Do you keep in touch with anybody? Yeah? Oh you do yeah, that's good! I like hearing that

bob and johnny, and people like that yeah I went and visited with johnny and not too long ago, Jonah very unfortunate health each year, and so I wanted to go and give her some love. You pay some respect, yeah yeah, and I had dinner with kneel down just while back and everybody there they're all just fantastic people. Besides being really tell yet so light d still play a lot, I play all the time, I'm in the middle of a new record in, what's the feel. What's the town I'm I mean a discovery process yeah, I'm doing something that I haven't done before. So I I'm, I'm on a mission to understand it. Oh yeah yeah searches revealing itself as you in gay. I like that

you are right. I like not knowing the ending. So when let's go, let's go back to the to the roots of it. Then you because your canadian, which is interesting, is a good thing. Ha you forget about that every day. Well, pretty much yeah! I I I envy that you know, but, but how does it start for you? I mean what what was your you know. Where were you born exactly? I was born in toronto, but I grew up between toronto and the snake. Sixteen an indian reserve, that's for my mom, was born and raised now it indian reserve in in the canadian, since I know that it is not a very good situation in this country. What was the situation there? it wasn't your heart there either, but when I was really young, I didn't understand and that we would go

my mother and I we would go and visit a lot with relatives and six nations and what tribe I choose from them all nature, and I thought they had made here, because an only child right and mobile. We stayed at the house, it's and six nations and it's on second line there yea in this house, my uncle and aunt, had twelve kids here and they were all in this house, and we were guess staying over, and I thought this is fence asked that judgment wow. You everybody's around that it's all happening here and then it seems to me that everybody played music or sang or dance here, and I thought this

incredible because it and I could hear music somebody sitting right in front of me- what was the music? Sometimes it was traditional music really and they re playing like you iroquois watered roms or somebody would have a violin with a string, miss saying, right or a home made mandolin right or a guitar? It was a pastime, it was their entertainment. There wasn't any big road shows coming through town resonate, should the so they had to provide their own entertainment rife in every body. Did something- and I thought I wanna be a part of the year. And so is a young kid. They started showing me a couple, a little cords and the guitar and over a period of time I got really drawn to this and at one point, when I was probably twelve years old, I thought

I am getting as good as they are yeah. This is gone. I'm ready, I'm ready yeah. So in all of that, all of this, starting on the indian reserve of have a way of life too yeah their connection. What my cousins could do that nobody in the city could do physically what they could smell in the air. What they could tell they could tell it was going to rain at three o'clock. You know they were connected. They were connected, yeah and magnificently argue a connect like I've. I've remarked before that they didn't climb up a tree. They ran up a tree right and I thought whoa. This is what I want to be a part of. I want what they got and when I went back to the city, it was to me

It was like nobody here can do what they are now. It's a whole different time sense of time right. It is that it was like that in a bit of a time, warp writer matter, because I read a book of on the rez by ian fraser that can ensure that, like there is just little elements of this idea that, like the if they need to get up early, they drink water before they went to bed, so they'd have to piss and they get up early if they need to get up early, but like entire days. We're we're we're dedicated to you know at least two or three people, even if it's just going to get apart for a car, the sense of pace and timing and community was so you know connected connected to to to the task at hand into the planet in a way yup so who who where's your dad playing dollars. My dad! Well, there's you know, as in my it's it's a it's a big part of the storytelling in my book,

but my blood father got killed before I was born in a car. Would you know about him? I didn't know anything about him because I grew up with who I thought was my father, nea roberts, yet and I didn't know until I was twelve or thirteen years old that in fact he wasn't my real father, yes, and that how'd you find out Your mom told you, my mother. In him I split up via then he became quite abusive and my mother got to a place where she just didn't want to take it any more year and said she she's here drinker, yep, yep yep,

There was a lot of drinkers yeah, you know yeah and I you know it was like a period of time too. It seemed like a lot of hard working people for hard drinking people yeah. I think that's still something that yeah. It can happen sure. So any way when I was thirteen years old on my their says that she's leaving him that we're leaving him right, there was no like you wanted. Yeah. I know there is no a scam you're, the only child yeah, and so one day she says I I know I should probably told you this before buyer he's, not your real father I was I I didn't even know. I couldn't imagine because he thought he was from my real father.

He didn't really. He didn't know he didn't know, and I didn't know so. She grabbed him right right in the yeah yeah, because he'd been asking her to marry him and when my blood father got killed. She she was so you know vienna, tat, blown away by air. I thing right that she agreed here too then marry him. So then she says he's not your real father, unlike what who is? How does this happen? What do you mean? All of that- and she says I'll- tell you later and, like all my good ass, she had this indian thing. Where

if you don't want to reveal too much too quick right. You know yeah so have said she said to me after that I have called relatives the brothers of your real father to introduce you to them when was asked. This was when I was thirty in ok, yeah and what you find out about it. I found out that these two brothers came to do it with me one was younger than my real father and one was older and my mother knew the older one and they met with me and they were like in two seconds. They were like. This is our brothers cat, yeah and I, and and and- and they were really really warm here and pulled me right in yeah and my uncle the younger one, my uncle nady- he was a very traditional jewish

man. He was in the for business in diamond business and he wanted me to be in the for business and time. Are they ready to take and how they took me right here took me right in and him and he was married to this beautiful woman and they had a little boy and a little. girl and he went on over the next period of time and really embrace me really pulled me in because my father was his hero in life. So is it was a connection? Did you live with him? I didn't live with them, but I saw them all the other big party or life, and then he went on over the next few years to pull off the biggest swindle and canadian history, which was why it was ponzi before there was ponzi before MR potter

he came along. Yes, he pulled off this incredible swindle here and then my connection to the underworld became huge, yeah and yeah, and how old were you I? It was from it's starting when I was thirteen and it went on up until I was twenty year connection to the canadian underworld, canadian in new york: oh yeah yeah. So what was the swindle? Exactly the swindle was a posse cn. So we got a bunch of people's money yeah. You got a bunch of people I said he was going to do something with it and he didn't he would he. His intentions were to do something with it and he had something figured out right, but it wasn't happening as fast is what it needed to happen, and people got very right.

Slis yeah, and so he had to resort to bringing in these the heads of the the mob yeah to protect him and to hold everybody off in the meantime until cause his idea. Was I'm going to take this money, I'm going to make a bunch of money. Yeah and everybody's gonna do with this her and then the family me and the clairmont family we're going to start a legitimate insurance business or finance company right and be like the bronfman in montreal starts singing hymns, yeah and started out as bootleg year. So that was the big plan. Yeah. Did he end up in jail, yeah yeah, so where's the where's, the music at this? Who, at this point so I'm telling him and I'm telling my relatives, I feel a strong connection to music and there, like yeah

Yeah, like rock and roll music, now rock n roll music. What is that it was like what is his crazy idea? that you're talking over the lake fifties and they were like. Oh wait. A minute You may show business near Ah, here all eyes see and fans of yeah, but it isn't like crazy, rock and roll people as it you're, not fear in. It was a funny thing area. They understood, show business. The new music was the the crazy kids yeah crazy care, hadn't become show business. Urea every eye was another. There lay fifties you're talking here. This is early sixties, ok up to the mid sixties. So then he goes in the head of the toronto mafia year end up going to prison at the same time together, which they think is actually a good idea.

Yeah, because everything and settled down they can get the money to have figured out of his hand and they get when they get out of prison. I'm now playing with bob Dylan. Should I come in c c, playing at a have big arena right and everything and thousands of people and all with another. Like wait. A minute wait a minute: How did we get in on is how do we become a part of this may be. The kid needs help this a good show vizier air, and did they now those relate those sale, that's right, but dad. How do you get what's put to? You know ronnie hawkins into perspective, because I don't think a lot of people myself included before I saw the last waltz really knew who he was how to do so you're getting proficient at guitar when you're over your teen years right? How do you get your first gate? What's the first band, I I'm in a bunch of bands, yet in their or around the toronto area in war,

of the groups that I men we open for ronnie hockins, the hut in the hawks at like at a sunday dance yet because they they pike, clubs, jury worthy from Ronnie, hawk arkansas. Ok, they were all from arkansas, too big tour. He on, the road is on the road. In the end, they play clubs and they played some one nighters like this dance did. He have any hits? Oh yeah. No, he was a big Kabila, guy, so was a regional or national hit national yeah maria, where he was doing. really really whack your bad at all, no more yet, but it was at that time here. This is like nineteen fifty nine year, a night it's the original rockabilly guy yeah. What are the hits? I think his biggest It was Mary lowe, oh yeah, and another one called forty days. Yeah

one called southern love and am so anyway, but he was in ink ridable perform and had a crackerjack group here, the hawk were amazing and it was mine blowing to me and so when we played on this same in the gig, with that. What was your outfit called? The swayed cs, ok matching outfits, in some of the groups in the group robbie in the robots we had matching outfits, and so this was a door opening yeah, seeing ronnie hawkins in the hawks and they're all from the south, yeah they're, all the authentic real thing. And this is in Canada yeah I saw I want to hang around and have some of this rub off on media and in learn what I could learn

and so I managed to be able to be friends with famine, hang round and one day, Ronnie hawkins, I heard him say I gotta go in the studio and make a new album and I gotta find us songs. So I went off and I wrote to songs. I came played them for him and he said well I'll, be damned I'm in a record. Both of those songs I was fifteen. I've got ok, we're getting see we're getting somewhere. It's amazing when I was a useful and he said I got my on you kid I'm goin on here mia when I was sixteen, he asked me to come from toronto down to arkansas and he wanted to try me out and see if I had what he called the right potential to become,

a on guitar on ongoing charter, but first the base player was leaving right. The base flare was going off to become a preacher down south and he said to me left more money in it. I guess that's what he sat down here. Preacher can do pretty damn good and I was like the real thing. So I tried out- and I was too young- I words Sixteen years just left canada and your mom was ikea later. No, my mom was like this is this is wrong right you're not doing this right and forget about the uncles, the the jewish, your family. Ever everybody was like you're out of your mind, but you did it. He dropped out of high school. I did, and I said I convinced them and I sold pretty well yeah. I said if I don't do this, if I don't try this year

could be sorry for the rest of my life that anyone can identify were, and I said if I go down there and it doesn't work out. I'm coming right back and I'll go right back to school. Ok, I made a deal, they said. Ok, you can. riot yeah and they didn't believe they thought I would becoming right back and going back to school? with sixteen to be twitter. They thought would get let him get out of his system. He needed to be twenty one to play any of the places here I was unexperienced and the big thing was in a rockabilly band. They don't have any canadians. Yet It just doesn't exist, canadians barely they were, they were all from the south, yet right yeah, but these guys relieving and ronnie hawkins and leave on who was very, very important to Ronnie is far as he had a great ear and yet rate sense of music and musician ship.

a thing so evaluating the virginal hawks. He was here he was there since the beginning yeah and leave on, took me under his wing and help me, and I eventually I'd Ronnie hawkins hired me when I was sixteen years old deploy base to play base and then the guitar player was leaving, and then I took over gets are so you're it your plane, rock abilities, that's fashion in professional. The road, the chitlins circuit down south sixteen years old. How may gives you workin? We played usually seven nights a week for years for years and the more the better yeah yeah He just kept getting tighter and tighter. We kept getting better and learning more and taking more in and having life experiences One day I had to write a book about cheering we now we got a book, but what was wasn't is leave

older than he was he oh yeah yeah? He was a few years older than me. Where does rick come in? When does that happen when you guys detached so after these guys from the south and from, arkansas one by one: they want they want to stay home, maybe I'll be on the road or they get families. Whatever one one they're leaving, and so then leave on- and I noticed this guy on an iron everybody just about happens- the same way as I did they were in a little opening band rather played for us here we saw rick dango playing with his own little group, where in canada, he's canadian tis so Ronnie liked hang up in canada because they paid more money and you work less hours in your special too yeah me like you yeah. They will have that. Can right we're, so we

rick and we think this guy there there's something about this guy, something about him. Musically any can saying wow I'm so anyway between ronnie leave on and I we pull rick into the fold rightums part of it. Then we play another group and we see richard manual in canada in canada area he's in canada. Yeah see richard manual in the piano players, leaving in richards a great piano player, but he can also he seventeen years old. me sing, like Bobby blue bland right, we're lightly. Where do you get one of those are handed out, so we pull richard into the fall then we hear this musician like we ve, never heard anybody like this in our life garth hudson we're we're that in canada in the london otter he was

playing. He was playing in his uncles funeral home out and five dim and because he asked played in a little local group chair and he can and heard us in one day he came and sat in with us and this guy been playing with miles Davis or the symphony orchestra right. He was that accomplished, weedin, never and at this same time. There was something readily imaginative and funky about his playing is well yeah. So we're like, oh my god. If we only had somebody like that, it could make us so much better leah and he was like an unusual cool guy and it was hard to give him because we asked him to join us and he said no and we're like what what

you know was he like he already gotta keyboard play? No, because we were talking about having a piano and in Oregon player right like gospel group right? No bands have that right right and it could give us a big, sound oregon and the group If Ronnie was into this, but we couldn't can leave on an ice said. Let us talk to garth, so we went and told her. We told garth about our lifestyle and that this was probably something he'd want to get in on any everything and he's oh said? No, and we were like what is going on with this guy right and finally, we found out that his parents had dedicated so much to his musical educate. isham riot of he joined a rock and roll band. Maybe a period they'd be like he throne

down the drain? Yeah right, some ronnie hopkins took a shot at the parents and said that this is the guards would not only be this big rate for his career rye and his musicality here, but he would also be the musical teacher in the group. I am sad and that's a very prestigious physique end. They fell for the epp, ed. They then we got garth and then that was it once we have this combination of people that was, We were looking for an even vary and for that band that was like a big, a very experimental approach. Yes, it was, there was a intellectual element to it that you are already aware that you are bringing in elements that we're going to make Ronnie hawkins his his sound, bigger and end in differ and he was willing to do it,

He loved the idea of having the hottest group around sure the problem was yeah We were all younger. We worried young, and we were growing leah and we growing quickly now here and we are group ronnie and we musically went to another place and we realise that we had to move on. How did that go down it didn't, go down very well in the beginning, as these things usually don't ride on, but eventually we there when a got up stop and we love ronnie, and he was the guy that help put us other end, and we owed tremendous debt. And a lot of love to him. So we ended up being in a friend's forever, but its action

A guy like running hawkins I mean outside of like you know what you guys were doing. It seems that you have given that he was sort of not necessarily stuck but committed to the music that he does. He can put another outfit again. So that's what he did right and you guys went on as what live on in the hawks- oh eat. In my you saying the hawk so royal, but we were the hawks right and we were using that cause ever little support system we have built up over the time because we are still playing the chitlins circa day s eyes, and these clubs up north and in new york in him, wherever we played, we had a following as the hawks, so we were just using that in the meantime and you were drawing and we were getting people gay young coming to the clubs and we were good yeah, and this was what this was the early sixty still. This is sixty four sixty five

So when you go to new york and stuff, were you aware of the scene without was going on there? We, like the foe seen or whatever was happening. I mean, did you feel other music around like in that was being processed. Through new york, primarily you're down in the real world, with the real people in the chilean circuit in the south and you taken all that in, but new york was a place where people came to sort of exploit that to a degree and and create I, I guess at that time, the folk scene right That was that was part of it. It was still like end of in the sixties. was still the end of that that tin pan alley, the bridge building people songwriter. In the future, making labour installer yakking yoffe in those eyes- yes great stuff, yeah and then in its own of under world,

in new york been in toronto too. There was this folk music right up, rising right. We were from the other side of the tracks. Right we were playing our and be in rock and roll and on the other. The joints that we were playing in were really rough club barrage right and the folk seen they, playing in coffee house there was nobody sipping cappuccino where we played right yet and and so we thought wow. This is for college kids over their young thing on the other side of the tracks right. You know we don't go over there, but sometimes they come off here here right, and so it was just another thing and it was. There was a bit of an irony then to actually hooking up with somebody like bob dylan right who was like the king of the folk music world. Will you are part of his whole transition? Really well,

yeah so have worked, so has answer your playing with the hawks in and how it is the boy who was in albert Grossman, that wrote in it was over. rose men in and we had a bit of a reputation out there which, as one which is being a hot, and that was it. We really could play an yeah and ends, and so people new that vienna and the word was out there so much the Alber gross man and the people at his age see and bob Dylan and everything the It was on the street right about these guys in the beginning I met with. I got a message to come and meet with bob Dylan and I met him in power, sing with John hammond junior via John hammond junior took me to the recording studio, see a friend of his who was recording that

we go in the studio in this guy bogged down than I dont know very much about it. Just record of the song cod like a rolling stone with that sixty four somethin sixty sixty, five. I think and his dad John hammond sr was the producer correct or was the guy who discovered he had the a and r guy the head of. Where was he at columbia? Yeah? It was signed him to columbia. About John haven't junior cause, I'm a big fan his eye, and I like his way of playing the it was I- and I always have was at that time. That was your sense. That he's right well he's the boss's kid kind of thing No no, there was I dont John hammond junior in senior got along that well, because that his johnson, his parents

It's split up right and he was on his mom's side right right, ear and so and him going off to become a white blues. Singer yeah. I don't think that the father for I thought that's. You know that's something in this family? We shouldn't do both interesting because he recorded all those singers and found these like. He is even part of the Springsteen story and having billie holiday in like a very fancy. He thought it was fine for billie holiday to sing blues right. He didn't think it was okay for his son, I'm guessing at the writer I get ya. I get ya so you're up there with Jon Hamm and you see you see, Dylan this at him and I meet him in passing. Then I don't know a wild later he call I get a message to come and meet with bob. Yes and I have no idea what this is about right I was curious, went met with them and

he wanted to hire me to play guitar with with him on some dates said he was going to do yeah, and so I said I can't, and yet I'm in a group and we don't yeah, we we don't go deal and he said well. How do we make this work and I said well, maybe because it was just really chew dates he was talking about. I said if if leave on can come to is like my part, yeah. If leave on income too. Maybe I could pull this off right, so they figured it out leave on and I played these two dates with him and they were like a nightmare, a musical nightmare. He why we played at forest hills stadium in new york, a hollywood ball. In l a and we didn't know what this routine was yeah- that people hated him going electric

right. You've only ever been electrically, we have. There was something funny about the idea of going electric right, but we got we understood that thing, but people through stuff add as buddhas and charge. The state which I mean physical keys charged the state charge the state to do what with anger and venom coming out of their mouths. It was like, oh, my god, they really eight this. So we play these two dates and Bob says that When pretty well. How would you like to the old sure who are alike? this guy, this guy he's boy I gotta say he's bald? Were you a fan? I didn't know that much. music tat. I'd heard a couple of things right, I heard a song somewhere at one point song that either call ox

town returning oxford yeah yeah and I love the sound of his voice, you on it, and that, saying something via the song was about something right: woe and so that caught my attention, but it was like I wasn't follow folk views right. I was following you know what we were into southern muse: yeah yeah yeah, so some after you non lit with that. We did these dates and he said: let's do this tour, that's when we said no, no, where a group right and where, with this group right all that I'm gonna happen unless the whole grouped us right, and we've gotta, even see whether they watch it right cause. This is weird and at that time he's not like a known quantity in the world, urine necessarily he's a star, but you still didn't

necessarily know exactly how you fit in. Do it yeah right, he was playing carnegie hall right, connives, wealth, yeah yeah. You know, and it was like now we have would play a club that worry we're on the other side of the triad. So the worlds. So finally, he comes in here this and is less do this together and we think this is so weird. Let's check it out, let's see what have though, when you were when you were at the studio and he was going down like a rolling stone or whatever was bloomfield there and then and an Oprah and everybody was there yeah, so you saw them like that. Music made sense to you. I thought this is interesting. there's something go on rare right right. You know, I thought it's a little disorganize yeah, but it's fresh. The idea! You never heard anything quite like this before right boy,

It is he have a bunch of words yet by that date, because you like that ban on that album on that song, you know that that's definitely, you know. Are you guys we're goin part of it right? Woman That was where the common asian of musicians that he was putting together. Yes, where they were going right and so that opened a door right, yes, yes, and so for us being able to apply a music electric clay, and so he was doing we would do some, his songs that he had done. Acoustically before yeah some of the songs that were his new songs that he did with musicians in the studio. Yes, it was really a discovery process. So you said yes to the gig. We said: let's check this out right. You know I was fascinated by him. As a writer

as what was happening in the world drastically and as a person I really liked him yeah yeah yeah and we had a great time together yeah. So I was saying, let's check this out, guys yeah, and so we hooked it up and we went and played and people booed and threw stuff. As every night where we went. You know what it reminded, how many dates, or will we toured all over the united states and getting booed all over lush australia in. Every year. In that way, the famous royal outward hall was you guys, yeah, yeah and, and ever

night everywhere this happen, and I thought what a strange way to make a by Europe or the other guy saying they were saying this is this is really crazy and at some point, could you feel the fucking aid in the room when he would oh yeah and you guys reply you yet enjoy. Yet you had to do the job but you knew they were just sit there. What's our faces fuck these guys? Oh my god, none are used in some cases it was so violent. The backlash was so violent and you had to thank as anybody would. This is going over very well with the audience. Maybe we should make some adjustments right right and the edge estimate was from the bob dylan camp? Yes, you should get rid of guys their ruining everything they love

view, but they hate these guys here. So we were like wow look at the position this is put, san right. This is awkward here yeah. This is really really strange. so you didn't know whether you want to be there for sure and all this was going on, but bottom line was we were getting better and better at this year and finally, there was moment. I remember after we played a concert and we were back in the hotel and we had a tape, rico

her and the sound man was flying us the concert yet what we adjust right and when I was listening to that, I said to the other guys- and I said the bob they're wrong. This is good, hey, they're, wrong. The world is wrong and we gonna win this battle right to an end and after and we went out and played against this hatred and all of this thing knowing this is a musical revolution right- and this is the kind of shit that changes the rules

world here and it's us against the world right and we got approve our point and we ended up. We we, we weren't winning the battle, but we won the war yeah, but Bob was on board. Pa didn't link was incredible and he did this structure. The show is: half accused taken there, guys would come out knowing city back there. You know he's closing with masters of or whatever the fuck. It is it's our more whatever the big is. We get here we go here. We go and you know what even reminded at one point. I had this weird dream that it was like you, member years ago, with wrestlers like gorgeous george all of these wrestlers, and there would be the good guy. You were the heel and the baby. I could come up with a black massey, I he came out and everybody would boo him yeah. He knew what he was going out. Therefore, I felt like our

slur going into battle, and when did it like is when did the the music? seems like what happened was the music business and the sounds eventually shifted in your direction. Right, I mean like you, are you the you asked about about? You won the war that we did it level off too, where people were happy to see well after and it was funny after we did this whole tour and we finished you said with the famous albert hall showed in the musicians, all the bands, england are all there in the audience in different boxes, you ever there and was embarrassing playing in front of everybody in the eye It's just booing you after every song, and it was just getting Worse and worse? So after the tour we come back to the united states and again bob says

Well we're thinking about putting together another chore. What do you think this guy I'm telling you you know this guy he's either really right or really wrong. So we were talking about that, but that's when he had his motorcycle accident. and so we couldn't go in ensure anymore really so that so, No, he was gonna be even going to keep fighting it yeah and then he got her and then you guys that's were big pink hap, that's right so he's gotta lay back for health reasons, and you guys really start to gel together we bar, but also with what this sound was evolving into. What the idea, was playing with bob. Was a temporary passing thing? Was rag ronnie yeah yeah. We were now now we were gonna go and do our thing,

right. We went off into the twilight zone with him for while yet, and it was incredible life's aging experience talk about build thick skin yeah, you know, but now it was time for us to do our thing beyond what we were. We are calling right and that's what big pink was, was all about and was Alber Grossman. Your manager albert Grossman was interesting because, after the tour over Grossman said, I think that I could maybe get you guys are record deal of doing bob Dylan from yeah that was his pitch right, yeah yeah, so we will so it was like wow here. doesn't even know who we are what we really do s, but why woody? And how could he here? so when we made music from big pay.

He was as shocked as anybody was. Aha, so was Bob Dylan, you know. Did he like it? Oh yeah, yeah yeah, it was all like look at this, and that was after basement apes, big, pink, yeah, yeah, and then you are your own guys. In a new deal decided on the name, yeah the band YAP we ve been together. We ve been together for too many years think of thinking of a silly name. Yet you know, and yet they did. You know richard manual talks about that in the last. Ass. I ever idea the crackers. The crackers are: did we get caught the strawberry overcoat, sir? When events it's silly area, yeah yeah, was at times in at the time to playing with bob everybody referred to, as has the band sure, for it was

in two years. We were so used to that. We couldn't. We couldn't get off that track and it was the closest thing we could think of to not following a trendy, silly yea thing where I had all yeah just this is straight Moreover, this is about the muse yeah and you guys at that point after big pink were getting along. Oh yeah! No, we always got allow you dead, get oh yeah yeah. I mean there was some crazy periods there. You know just cause a lot of experimenting with drugs was going on you. How did you get boy that cause- I know like you know, when you talk about dahlia, bloomfield or butterfield in you know- and I guess you couldn't like heroin was everywhere right: yeah and people get fucked up yeah and some people survive in some people didn't exactly, and that was just part of it. It infiltrated just about every group we knew yeah

in infiltrated us in one point, I had three junkies in my back yard and others like hard to call rehearsal time, but like always wonder about that like what? What is the concern level because I guess it was, it doesn't seem like it was ever. You can never just sit there gay. This just a party drug, I mean that's a big commitment and you know in its devastating I mean in in the unit. Were you young concerned, yeah scare concerned and was no angel myself right, I was standing there were the ruler, sure measuring thing, of course, and everybody was experiment you're all kinds of way right, so you can't get it your high horse to my right. I guess they never really realized. I you know I mean you could look at the jazz age, but I guess that generation yet still assumed it was a party

and then in when it got dark, it was probably a surprise was almost part of the ritual at a point near you know, like you, gonna walk through this door here to know. If it's real, yeah, but you guys kind of you journeyed on and then you made the next record the ban, the record. The second record you did out here. Yeah, we did it in semi, david juniors poorhouse. We rented his house. Was he living there? No none at all. We assisted he move out. While we were breaking the record, did you meet him? Did you ever? Have a relationship? Will? No? No. It was just a house that he had. Ok and in so we just got it through a rental agency yeah, and it was a house that we can all live in and one again making our own atmosphere and turning the pool house, which you could tell this fool- has had such a vibe year of

pack vibe to right right. You know the way the myriad everything here in the place. It wasn't big. Thank no. So we had some work to do on the idea to make it, but it was like making an atmosphere that our own character to and the record had its own character, t area in the sound and everything so you weren't affected by allay necessarily still brought yet the unit was so tight and once you got the decorations and the shit together you guys were your own landscape, your your own area country in a well yeah deadlock and yet we made it our own island, yeah and- and it was a great time in a great experience but we were inside our own underground rice, exam We made this music

no connection to the outside world? Is that interesting? And I were you guys, go out at night, we seeing the doors, were you seeing, you know hendricks or joplin or any those people I went, he saw hendricks during this period, yeah we went out sometimes, but what we were working right. It wasn't. You know it was an we mostly rick ordered at night. We would start in the afternoon yeah kind of get a plan. we were gonna do have a bite to eat the family in everything. Here it was very far Emily oriented that does the whole vibe and then after dinner we would go down and we would start making music in its astounding, because, like you D, the outside that that the trend of music of the time was not infiltrated. You guys were doing your own trajectory completely yeah. You know you are trying to keep up with anybody we didn't even know that we were connecting. Have anybody we,

I understand that yeah we were just trying to do something really good right and it was, in, in the songs that I was writing, I wasn't why I didn't have a big idea I was just for it was all I could think of it. The time here and- and I was Do something really good wow and you did. You did amazing things. You did that that album that second or that a couple big ones on their yeah. It was part of another, part of a musical revolution media that had such big pink in the band, album, india and other stuff. We did to ended up having a big effect on the course of music yeah on the direction of music on song right yeah on stuff? You could do that? No realize you could do before and where I have to say that act of being part of the revolution with bob Dylan opened a lotta door,

and showed a lot of things that you can do that nobody was allowed to do before too that it didn't happen before. right, yeah and so that just rubbed off on us- and we thought that's what you do right, you you break the rules, change things. It was time later on. when we realise we were rebelling against the rebellion than other people thought were the rebels out there that we, rebelling against them. Yeah yeah we're just make. We think what you are doing is trendy right. We think what you are doing is obvious right and we're just gonna. Do this do something whatever it is you and whatever our calling is we're going to follow that path. When you look back on like on those first to records mikey, which songs. Are you the most proud of amerika question? I guess yeah different song for different reasons. Yeah. I really like

the song that I wrote it car rag, mama, re, yea, I'd! Never I'd, never heard that before. I heard anything quite like that before I was drawn to that feel yeah and the combination of the funk enos in the mountain and me all this stuff that was in that gumbo yeah yeah. It seems like that the dead sorted took off from you guys, a little bit like you priority. You bright, laid it pretty my guide that year you're your records, kind of blue, garcia, mine, I'm imagining heats and he told us that he did yeah, oh kay. That makes sense year, whereas rag mother rag psyche, they could cover. That's- and they might have a negative covered others song already, but I lost track of which ones they did

Yeah yeah, the you know, they've you're, like a secret key to that time and away the band that, like you, you know cause you can see that influence in them. What you know in the dead like record, certainly, and yet it certainly through a lot of other, like like even tom, petty, even the the way that you know each person represents himself in a in a rock band is a lot when it's organic and you feel everyone's got this personality in their space. It seems to be something you guys kind of gave the world That was part of it yeah yeah, and it was a nice thing to be able to to share something that that you've thought. Oh, that inspired. Somebody that's good, and I hear it today, yeah all over the place, still what what lisa the decision to to to disband well, we had been together yeah on the

road yeah for sixteen years right and it seems like we had done at all. We had been there and back and we had played the roughest meanest little hockey talk. Known to mankind yeah and we had played the biggest concerts in the world. So for that it was like. There's a lot to be learned out here now and also you did like you. Did your big eeg musically experiment, you everything you know like you know you d be brought in horns and you know you, you did everything we ve been around the block right out like that, but us at the same time there was a thing happening out there. On the road and with with the interference of drugs of hard drugs. It was

if it was becoming an unknown, what was going to show up that night, you got dangerous and, and richard manual was really struggling and in the rest of us were struggling to because in a group like ours which isn't a you know about a singer with no shirt on, and riots are player right and some other guys yeah. It was really about the five people in the band yeah. That's why it was a real bear: yeah, and so when there was one flat tire you know I mean it made, made everything. So it got you a place where I thought we ve got to go underground. We gotta get out of the public eye and we gotta help one another

and fix this thing here before somebody dies yet has so many of our friends are dying and have died, so we gotta do something and then I thought of what have we bring this to a beautiful music our conclusion and we have this celebration of What we love in this music and our friends and what have we do something so beautiful like that and then and then we do our thing and go underground and rediscover what our calling s right and to everybody. It seem like that's the right thing to do as a beautiful thing to do, and so the idea of putting together this celebration, via which we in the calling the last, was

if it had to do with the times that era it felt like the end of an era. He added thought like something needed to be brought to a conclusion in everything yeah in and around the outskirts of what we were bringing to a conclusion. It felt like There was another. There was another kind of of revolution stirring of hip hop via an punk. Clear, there was yet it was just give him a little just a tiny bit of its sea. Under the door and the time was seventy six. Yet the end seventy say so the

If things were coming in and this thing had built to a crest and there was nothing better than the feeling of getting together and everybody's celebrating the music of the band and celebrating one another, and then I had the audacity to go and ask Martin scorsese to direct the movie of it. Just because you are a fan of his, I was I'd. I loved the way that he views, music in his movies. Yeah I get teller with was something on on area, but but by audacity I mean he was in the middle of directing a movie and they do not like it when you're directing a movie, when you see golf and direct another roof which movie he was there

acting new york, new york, yeah, the musical right yeah, and so he was like. Oh my god, I have to do this. I have to do the if, but how do I do this year? You know you can't do that and they're going to be upset and whatever other stuff, but he was like, but I I have no choice. I have to do this year and he figured out another complete underground way of leading, and we decided to do this over the thanksgiving weekend here when everybody would be off doing something and we could. We could maybe sneak this in in his preparation, sharon for the concert is financed. There is a collectors had did I have it of the shooting script, all crazy isn't grazing crazy, and you see that the last was movie. After forty years holds up the way it does because them,

and that is home work. Yet man is not messing around like invented how to shoot a concert he wanted. to be a movie yeah. You know and as great was great awash, it again It can only said. I don't. I don't particularly like these concert film things, the shaky cameras, the ugly lights in the early. We want to make it movie here inspired by Michael how all of these names- he was bringing out and it was like. Right now we are on the right track here: yeah and that began outside rain that major film you'd be. That began your relationship with him. I guess he up and ongoing. It's an ongoing thing. We have such a fantastic time. You score salmon, you help him selects yeah yeah great. Movies that he does his differently and its. challenge, you ve been involved, like a dozen of them, have yeah, yeah and he's like he's alive wire.

Oh yeah, he is heading still is just one of the great masters of movie making history ya So I just love what he does and every time he pulls a rabbit out of a hat. You find songs that he's never heard and enlightened vice versa, oh yeah, and that must be part of the fine. Oh, it's great fun. Yeah now like come in looking back and then you got yourself a work. I remember your first solo album. It was very big deal. I remember because I remember the problem of the press. was that you are going to draw from your indigenous roots. Admit so did the music was very different? in a way, then the ban was, I remember, getting the cd and pondering. This is right. This with rubies up to now. This is the next thing you know it was. It was a popular record it did all and got a lot of beautiful critical acclaim is a pretty record yeah and now how many have you done? I don't how many very like. So I don't know me,

the aid required I'm in the middle of a new record right now, yeah scorn good girl on good yeah. When you think about like I know there were problems will leave on over this or that with the with rick. I mean how that stuff end up resolving some of them. Richard died. I mean like these guys, you know and They still around right. Yes, he is, and was there was love lost not for me, there is I never had a problem with leave on near in All these years we played together here we never had a sour were here ever was years after the band, and they have been tour Is the band in oh yeah, like it seems that you at once to break up happen. A lot of them could not what me more two of them could not escape. You know that the life in a way of what we had yeah yeah yeah, it was years after the last was when they decide

did they wanted to go out and they called me and said yeah. Would you know we decided that we we wanna go out, makes some music in and we need to make a living near and I was like and they said mind. You know we're going to use the name, the band yeah. I said I would never stand in the way of you making a living in and doing whatever you want, and I understand that calling and It decided not to join that year cause I still felt. I still felt this worry. I still felt this strain inside and I was worried about Richard Zell and it came. Unfortunately, you know it. You know at richard did end up dying and but anyway the thing like years later. I heard that leave on said these things that I did. I did this her eye

Do that. I'm writing credit yeah stuff like that, and it was an I never responded to. It was so silly that I couldn't even to it and I knew that leave on. He had this thing inside a him and I knew it was in there that It was always somebody's fault for something of things. we're going right. Well then, but anyway, I loved leave on, and I thought he was an amazing talent yeah, the closest thing I ever had to a brother in all of that. So when he said these things, I just couldn't give it in algeria, much responsibility and requisite rick seemed like to be a sort of very special presence. Rick was fantastic and I thought I was friends with rick. You know up to the very end, yeah and I was heart broken when he died too, and I was heartbroken

leave on died, and I got to see him before he passed away. I thought he was doing much better. I thought he was on the road to recovery eyes, That point: did you guys settling? I was always okay, yeah yea university. He all right, then, by the end I I you know I I went to see him. I went to see him and held his hand yeah. You know before he passed away and it takes two people to be in the future yeah. I was in a view right. I daddy was terrific, but he had issues. He had health issues and he had some the head issues to that stirred up on him, but I just never. I couldn't bring it. I couldn't make myself in you know, be upset about garth. Doing in garth is amazing yeah. He is such an incredible talent. He lives on a different planet. Thea everybody out

yeah, but he is such an amazing and either, like I say in this book, you down that with Garth god only made one of the eu shortening and I'm and I've got a couple of songs, new songs that I've written that I'd I'd. I would love to have garza when I record them play on them me because there's something in there, because I am new great ways to show up the show garth off There were I'll. Tell you- and I guess, like the last question is, like you know you, you figured out a way to Kennedy, new doing your own work to be involved with movies and yeah really kind of your open up. the parameters of your talent and interest. Now I don't know what you're relationship is with bob dylan at this point, but why? What do you feel when you know like his he's out there all the time man I mean he lives out there, and you know it

so clear and like the last waltz in everything else that you're the road mean something it has both light and dark and it and it's a a hell of a to to to spend your life and what? What do you make of of bob dylan dylan this? At this point I mean it's a it's a beautiful thing: it can't you can't need the money obviously needs road and in what? What part is how? Where does he stand in your mind and in your heart? You have a relationship with him. So I will, I think, said. There was a long time when bob didn't go out in pubs can play the many year yeah and then he had back to him, and then you know. Yet when did more and then he found he found that it was a big part of what he loved and so he's just gonna stay out there until you not young. Well, whatever happens out and yeah he's gonna stay

out there is long as he can and I can I imagine that he just loves it here and it's who he is here and I applaud via. Do you talk to him? I care how do you, I too am he's on the road or the kind I have. I've made I've made some cause. I've sent some messages ray, I'm just saying you know with we gotta catch up sometimes, but it's like whoops there. He goes again yeah yeah, you know now it's over here, don't be back in australia like crazy yeah, and so god bless yeah. It was great talking to you, sir. Thank you really fun. I've got those great. It was great talking to him. I like hearing about that time. I like hearing the art of his wife in the music and be enjoyed it gotta deputy up doc. Opera, you w p s, needs to or dates

get on the mailing list, posters contact info, all I gotta I gotta do the chauffeur thursday, because I'm going to take a little break haven't have one in a little while so on thursday, I seem detached for tone is not right. For god, What will happen this week? It's because I ma I'm away I'll, be back right, figure, american boomer lives