Alfred Molina was told early on that he was a “dreadful actor but a marvelous show off.” Thankfully, he took that assessment as a positive and became one of our great actors, working in experimental British theater, BBC radio plays, and large-scale musicals like Oklahoma. Alfred tells Marc how he transitioned to movies, with his first film being a small trifle called Raiders of the Lost Ark, and how that paved the way for his future work with directors like Paul Thomas Anderson, Sam Raimi, and Jim Jarmusch. And yes, he and Marc talk about THAT scene in Boogie Nights. This episode is sponsored by SimpliSafe and Aspiration.
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All right. Let's do this! How are you what the fucker is, what the fuck bodies, what the fuck are? We just now are you marin. Here this is my podcast wtf, welcome to it, if you're new to it or I just you know, I'm in the habit of saying welcome, I hope hope everyone's having okay monday already or you know, yeah you do what you can, ah god goddamn it how's it going you alright. So today on the show alfred molina is here, which is great when the great acts is very exciting, guy, very exciting. To talk to, and of course of course, I talk to him about that scene. Come on these guys he'd that is constantly working. I right now is a voice actor honour, the ten
narrative mystery podcast- the angel of vine. You can get that where you get I guess you can listen to me and Alfred talk in a few minutes, I have some housekeeping, though I've a bit of house keys, a couple of things. A couple of things in relation to the last episode. The gary clark episode, which I'm so happy that people enjoyed so much. We had a very nice time. I might see him austin, I mention I'm going to Austin have I meant that ivan know, I dunno if I've gotten you up to date, but let's do the housekeeping first, which is, talking about jason is bull, who made a statement on twitter, which was old, guitars, aren't really all that special and I didn't do any research, I don't know why I just saw that part of it, but I don't want to misrepresent jason's view of old guitar. Because the tweet he was responding to was, if you were kidnapped and were being forced to tweet, so things appeared normal, you tweet to alert us. You need help old, guitar
aren't really all that special. So it's exact opposite, which makes more sense But you know I'm willing to believe shit at face value at first until someone calls me and says dude that was a that was an ironic, so so? I don't want anyone to get the wrong idea about jason. The other thing call jason moore a minute. The other thing is that, magic sam piece it. I was obsessed with an arab and am obsessed with that. I played for at the beginning Eric cart thing, which was a conversation we had is actually called. Is called sam's boogie. It's actually called looking good and it's actually a cut on. on the west side, soul album, which I haven't, I didn't realize I had it and I didn't realize that song was on there because, that live version is just so crazy on fire and the live online not live version of it is what I'm more laid back, and probably a little more of a poor
or a key to how to learn how to play it. Okay, so that being while we're in the music groove here, I guess you know they're there, in many musical guests on the show. Many of them have played Almost all of them. I would say all of those moments for me beyond anything I can even imagine I mean to have people play guitar, and seeing right in front of you would literally three feet away from me in front of. Yeah right here and I'm just me and I'm in here, and I'm just on my dumb little mixer trying to make it so I try to make the levels not peak. I'm no man after engineer, but I've recorded some amazing born here and it's been some of the most amazing it, this is in my life and people have always asked us me and brendan that being about putting together a compilation of the songs you know from the show- and we always wanted to- but it's a tricky thing to do. Logistically so good news we got. Stop with the folks at newbury comics, who were
her thin doings, like something you're, something with us in an important or ship with them we ve put together. I think something really special record store day is April thirteenth, and for this year's record store day where we sing, an exclusive additional vine. well album called in garage, live music from w e f of mark marin and it's got some great performances on ok. These are ten acoustic performances. With that J mask is melissa Etheridge. He from eels, karin scheele, gareth, then entirely muscle, white Niccolo, margo price jason is both Aimee Mann, dave alvin and I actually play with Dave alvin On that track, I mean all these artists in responding to this record. Our extremely generous in allowing their performance is to be featured on album.
And everyone in an iron donating our proceeds to charity musicians on call who bring music to the patience of healthcare facilities, and bring a little joy into their day, so record store day. Two thousand and nineteen is happening april thirteenth. So you can pick up your copy, then participating stores can be found at records, today, dot com- and I listen to the test pressing of this thing, and it's pretty it's. you know when you heard the list artist, that I just told you about an like. Why, if you put their produced music you're from their albums up against each other. It would seem Riyadh yeah, he probably wouldn't fit together, but they all fit beautifully. together because it's recorded in the same way very simply fair, there's a badly because I use pretty good mics but but basis
we, the set up here, is its the same. Might that we talk into its s m seven assure s m seven I don't have any effects. I don't know how to use even this very simple mixer, so stick that mike in their face- and I stick a mic net in their qatar back in the day was a blue ancoar, two hundred only because I had them and then I would just say it's on one track: they're, not even separate tracks, I record on one track of garage garageband, so any conversation it makes it difficult, probably in certain difficult to to do any remastering or or work with the song after the fact, but for me and brendan it's pretty even then you know two tracks would be nice. I don't So all these requests done the same way you know, except for the the jason isbell one. So with that the through line, basically with the garage
in my way of recording people which is very raw and straight up, I, it provides a connector and a all the performances are relative. You know, or, or you know, like that. These are all just people with guitars in it harmonica in the case of Charlie Musselwhite, and they all fit together. as you just hear, the artist you with a guitar I tell you man, I you know I can't like. I can't tell you how I like talking to people of course, but Also something about these recordings that I think are exactly like what happens here all these, I believe, in the old garage. But these performances Great everyone sitting across from J mask us with his anti gibson just go and at it with, Two major moves to etheridge is probably one of the most charismatic and moving performances. I've ever seen in this place a grudge ii was great caring, kilgour of me.
Me cry. Ben harper and Charlie Musselwhite. Charlie Musselwhite is one of the last of the great old harp players. glow singing the beast to make it. I asked him great margo price come on. Amy man does solid, I mean dave, alvin, dave being very gracious letting me play with. but the jason isbell one is the only one that was, and here in the garage, and I've told this story before, but just so you know yo in relation to talking about music in relation to us? Talking about this release of this record ten is what I didn't know a lot about him or his music. Until I realized that we were both going to be doing the same, show up in minnesota and minnie was. I think that we were. We were both on an episode of wit that radio show that podcast. So I, I got in touch with them, probably through twitter. Initially, and I said we should talk and then I got caught up on his work and then we there and I met him at that show we did the show he been on the road for weeks and we're staying in the same hotel,
wait I'm at night at about one thousand, two hundred and thirty one, I went and interviewed him in his room and then I sat there with him His guitar he had a guitar was in a hotel room where both exhausted he, he probably more than me. In front of him, and I held it, the mike's I held one mike to his guitar and I hand held one might to his face, and I sat in a chair right in front of him and he did. it's on elephant, and it was one of them. Most moving musical exe? I've had in my life. It's a very intimate odd almost like a field recording. of a song that that is a powerful song and in part breaking in its own right, but just the the intimacy the recording process with pretty crazy but dead. That's they're. So okay, so I guess I'm just telling you my experience with these things and that that that One will be available from you I read comics on record store day, two thousand and nineteen tapping april thirteenth
get a copy then, and you can find participate, stores record store, dot com, and I imagine that you can go ahead and tell them. If you have a story You are in relationship with you, tell them. Maybe they could get you one so yeah, she have to speed here Oh you know what I did. I I put the the old rug from the old garage up in one of the bedrooms in my house here that's going to be sort of an office, ish kind of space. Unrolled that rug, and I- and I remember I value it when I got to this house out on that out in the front yard, and then I up into the bedroom last night I back into it again it which is like inches in inches of dust- and I just I ve talked about this before and inter in relation to that fuckin rug. But here it is in a new place in a new home and all that cast from all those talks, little bits of skin and pieces,
dirty from the journeys of my guests. It just sort of weird it was like the other history of wmd f in dust. I could make that available. Would anyone like a vile of a w e f dust from the from Yes, sir skin and hair and things that come off of the gas any any one hundred, and I got to assume some of that shit been in there since the beginning. You never know how those things lodge a history in dust, but now I I threw it away the shy shy, kept it, but he keeps it for. Why am I even keeping that rug I've heard that rug forever. It's been through several apartments. A house in then ended up in the garage, but do you know, You attach, meaning you attach meaning. Yeah that rug to magic carpet, man, yeah man magic carpet, man, bank, daren't content, don't content down to content content, don't like to! I don't even know the words for that matter.
Copyright, but so yeah I'm going to be at by south for a few days this week, the premiere of the film the sort of trust that I am in. when Shelton film a completely. Improvised movie. It was shot. I mean I, I think some of you are with me during this. I was shot in Birmingham alabama it was it's. It's me jillian bell, a job. Bass Michaela watkins are the mary characters, lynn Shelton directed It- has a small role in it. Dan back doll is also in it. Toby Huss is in it. Among a few other people from the area and We provide that in about three weeks ago It's a movie and got into south by south west in the premier is friday night. All the music for the film.
Is music that was aid here in this garage or in the other garage we eat, she kind of land took a lot of my guitar pieces, I heard them throughout the movie and then the the song under the credits, the instrumental under the credit is thing that me and tall and felt wrote and add aid in a studio with some amazing musicians, Doyle grandma, one of em and mighty way, so I'm gonna be it's out by south west for just a few nights. And, more importantly, in terms of that There are. The premier is exciting, but oh bees, barbecue obese, going to go to Opie's in spicewood, always great, so Yes, I'm looking forward to the movie premiere and doing press for that and up being part of that, but dad I don't know it's pretty pre. Fifty five if your movie premiere obese
Alfred, molina, obviously one of everyone's favorite actors- maybe you don't know that, but he is and I was is definitely a great honour, honor and exciting to talk to him. He lives not far from me. Which made it even better for him you can hear, currently as a voice actor. On the in part, narrative, mystery podcast- the angel of vine just a veil borri every wherever you get the pod casts. And seen him in everything- you've seen him in go. Look if you're, who go that's crazy, this is me talking now for marina. You have drawn up in this area only about a year. It's I lived in ireland in hollywood before that. We had to not just greece data, and this is where we ended up. You know they were so well
first arrived in the states we arrived in new york and at the. When was that that was nine teeth. Ninety three aha and I'd been coming here to work on and off since the mid eighties yeah, but always just for a specific job. Leanne on that, and this time we came and we kind of made a conscious effort decision to to live here and you know to do. They are a thing. Do the l a thing I arrived in new york and I was we were hoping to stay in new york yeah, but then my then a in kind of said on. I know you got you ve gotta, be where the action is blah. Blah blah rights comes well. I say we gonna came to airline but why I didn't realize mine my e b. The time was the allay, We would is not the same,
the film industry is the center of where they'd make the. Where is the center of the film business or era? You know so yeah the deals are made is where you know it's not where the work is made not not as much any more now and we could have easily I can see now we could have easily have. state of new york, which we preferred but then you going to be fine out here every other week, but you know what that's not yeah! He needed to login, you know they fly you and they take care of you it it's a you can still do it. You can still go back to new york. I could I could, but now now, of course, I think we missed out. We saw missed the boat a little I think you missed a window to get the buy the building in brooklyn. That's right, yeah, weird! When things were cheap, I mean it's a module. I've always been. I've always had terrible luck with with buying. is that we've always always seem to have sold if the market was low and bought when the market was aha hear, is that I've never been one of those be, friends. Who are that friends who kind leave is got this rusty? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've got you,
say things like this. These buzz was was like you I bought when the appointment we know when it was a sweet sank appears when it was good. And the are the annoying those people they piss me off a little bit because, because because what they say there is more than they not celebrating the fact that I've had a stroke of good luck. This
writing and lording it over you of how stupid you are that you didn't manage to do the same thing and viewed as a kind of it's a kind of modesty. Brag combined with a sort of slap around the face is likely to. I could do this and you didn't always reminds a reminds me of that great thing that chevy chase used to do what he was on Saturday night live where he was what he wanted to say: hi, I'm chevy chase and he's like hi, I'm a I'm, a lucky fucker and you're enough. You don't have the foresight or the wisdom or anything or the luck yeah. I can't. How do you function in the war? I'm a lover you're a loser, yeah right yeah, but the thing is like I dunno about you, but I buy when I've I've only owned two houses in my life
and I live in them. I don't, I don't ever think like. I always think they're too expensive, the two I've bought yeah and an area you carry the resentment around with it a little bit, but but but it turned out the other one, the little one that they're going crazy over there in highland park and when, like when I bought that house, I thought like this is: who would pay this much money for less than one thousand square feet and like what? What little? I knew that, like now, it's crazy, but but I places to live there. Those kind of people outside people don't get attached to places. I need actually a yearly yeah me. I think you ve been a it's that they sat moment when a house turns into a home yeah. It's all to do with that. About good luck to you tat when people come to brag about view how they made money on houses that that's fine and not be not an I've. I've had good expire, is emphatically. This is only the zone
the third house, I've actually one right, so you like the places you're thinking like not going to buy this and I'm going to say you're, not thinking when you buy it that you're going to sell it. No, neither am, I never think of the house as a possible vestment here with something that is gonna. Make me money and in the years to come, right is just are we in the house in hollywood. I was in there, but I was in since ninety five, I was there for the best part of twenty five years and you have in the hills, get nowhere. If we are We lived in what was told. I was that the realtor said we were hollywood hills adjacent also not it's not the hills, it was like. We, we saw the hills at the top of my street. It was. There was suddenly this precipitous ray. I were to those houses where you could see the houses that were in the of- and I remember the the real to saying and you're really close to sensible or where the action is the first action I was aware of on my street. It was we,
there when the neighbourhood wasn't so air gentrified as it is now and the set the third night. I think the third with some, even in the first week, the mirror that in bed one talk in the morning some noise outside I get up. I look out the way and there's a hooker in our driveway working what deal with someone. You definitely argument with some guy over there. Maybe they were just negotiating the deal and I remember my wife said: what's that You on your. If I said, there's a hooker in the dry white, she showed a pact a bag and gone here. So I just went our kids. as I guess I just use if she wouldn't born so when I, but now it's kind of his guys got them. When I got my house over in the other place in highland park like within a week, someone had tagged my wall, they'd spray paint, and I was like holy shit. It's already someone else's territory. What am I then? What is happening and
I believe leveled off but you grew up we were in england, most of your life- oh yeah yeah. I imagine I didn't come to. I didn't come to the states until I was in my forties, really yeah, so where'd you like what was a where'd you grow up in england. I grew up in london. I was I my my just quick. My background is basic. My parents were, my father was spanish. My mother was italian. What he do. My father was a waiter and my mother cleaned hotel rooms. Italian, like italian, italian, italian, italian, I could do if he wants to do so, and I said so said I and your mother was you, your italian and I I said yes she's attached, she was italian and the interviewer said the from a new york brooklyn as a nano, italy, she's, not italian, and your dad
spanish yeah from Spain, france, right yeah, right, yeah, Madrid really yeah. Just as a majority I've been there I've. I was in a oh, no, I haven't. I was in barcelona Now these are lined up man, I'm just trying to seem international. I spent a week in ITALY and I was in barcelona briefly. I don't know how to speak. Spanish or italian, but I have walked through the areas but Did you were you? Did you grow up with the languages yeah yeah, my my parents will my past kind of both of them. They they had finished their formulas. occasion by the time they were like fifteen. Sixteen, my dad was a worked as a laborer in spain before he kind of joined up with some trade union militia and he will and he was a refugee from the civil war in spain, and he arrived in england justin time for world war, two, oh man, so he couldn't go back to spain, so he he he just signed up. He signed up onto the british army so
after the revolution in spain because he was on the wall he was at. He would he would. He was in a trade union militia. He was on the republican side. He was fighting. I I aft at fighting franco and they they got pushed out. Yet there was a lot of a lot of refugees who were political refugees. They they went, allow them join the refugee trail into france, yeah and from there. They kind of scattered around the world. Really many went to south america, latin america. My dad went to France, it's here where the family history gets a bit, murky yeah. He spend some time in france, ITALY enough time to learn how to speak french visa and then he ended up somehow. He ended up in in england murky, like a well kept secret mark, while murky like Noah. I never quite found out what he was doing that my mother, someone. I remember my mother once told me: oh yeah, yeah, your your father was in the foreign legion.
and I think that sounds a bit fanciful to me. I you exciting for what If the foreign legion once you're in, is really really hot, that you can't just pop in for a few months. Gotta get. It know guys I'm good at and seventy one that he he arrived in england in the top of thirty nine in thirty nine, my mother emigrate from ITALY after the war she arrived in england in ninety, forty seven and she she got a job, as a chambermaid in a hotel where my dad was working in the restaurant is a waiter. Ah, so they pass each other in the hallway. I guess yes, they were changing into their outfits and that he stayed in that in that job. His whole life, his whole life yeah. He was, he was a waiter bartender. He was a. He was a restaurant
for a while is a certain dealing in england. I guess when you you know when you you have your your health care covered and also there is some there's a union to do. It too, is an area in this is this was just a man just after the war. It was the beginning of what became known as the welfare state you know where you had universal healthcare. You free education, What I mean, I I I think I may be Ah the last generation in england who I got educated from the age of five to twenty five and I didn't pay a penny. It was good education. It was a good education. I went to a good. I went to good schools, parochial schools, up cabo, they were catholic schools there. Then I went to drama school ago and got my degree at drama, and you know- and that was it I mean all. I had All I had to find was like my pocket money in a right for all my tuition
school expenses were all covered, beautiful thing, and there is no shame in the working class they're not at all. There was there was in fact it's quite the opposite that we have a great deal of pride. You know there was a movement after the war the movement where the working class had had a kind of profiling, and people were, It was clear that there was many many talented people in the working class and and all that they were lacking they weren't lacking. skills era, talent or the ability what they were lacking was the opportunity right I was given to them by successive governments after after, but the always true strikes me like you in growing up in england that you do, there is sort of a a class system to completely like italy. Would there be no one talks about it here? Yeah, but if there's a class system here too so would I think, I think, I think, the difference between the system. In a way, is that here it's it's a meritocracy here
and also it's it's all about how you it's all about whether you have money. If it's a grassy and but it's also a day what what married could be, is just your ability to bullshit and hustle says like money, the money you can make money, then then doesn't seemingly it at this point. Specially with this president, doesn't doesn't matter how yeah I'd say he is. Here's thing is, is the difference that I, this is my theory when I to an american when you're talking someone from america like me. Yet you hear the axe and right now all I can tell from your accent I can maybe have a vague, is where you might be from, but your accent, doesn't give me any information about your education, your your financial state How you were raised around that when you talk to a brit,
all that information is in there in their acts in seconds. You can kind of tell you know, he's middle class he's working class, he's up a class he's had engine asian. She hasn't that you can this all that and it's all satellites, all subliminal, but all the info is there and as brits we kind of respond to it and act on it. You know someone comes in, I remember being when I was a student, constantly being told about you know you ve got up you gotta neutralize your acts and other my first, my first agent at she said to me: you will calm down with the london acts, and otherwise you can be playing spanish white as well. My name was Alfredo yeah you and he was saying, drop the o or change it me now Was that it like you, is that hobby, like one was about almost preferable. I was when I went to my knowledge drama school my axe and was a lot more conner
for that it is now I mean I, I pipes sweetened it up. You know I took his advice, is nineteen seventy one, but then it just sticks or are you putting on an effort now? None of this is now how I talk, but, but I think that's that's after years and years of gonna write. What did you use to sound like when it was also a bit like that? You have a car from back in the mouth, yet it cannot be our ally, I did that and the protocols. Now when I do it, it does feel to meek affected when you do your old acts yeah. But when I went at the time it was just the way I mean every now and again my my mia. My daughter said to me once she says: you're dead when you get shot, can really hear. the london, when you get angry, suddenly the cairo summit goes from low. You know it goes from this decline like off, lacking towel jus many more times. That's it
everybody knows that it is not an oasis air. It makes sense because we always at those moments of high emotion. We always betray ourselves right, or or he betray yourselves, but now that you're you're, probably being more honest on some level who you are well seventies, but I do were you doing it in in high school or whatever you call yeah, when I, when I was as highly am average ohio sandri school year, I went to a roman catholic secondary school for boy. Were you very catholic? No, no. My parents sent me there just in case
case where there was a god just in case there was a god, my parents, my parents were not what I call kind of they. They will not part time. drywall, practicing. In fact, if anything, my father was actually very anti clerical here. He had some experiences during the civil war. That kind of really kind of him off the church category vacuous year, the elder catholic, fascist, fair and my mother was just being so. They sent me to a catholic night. I was I was ties right. They sent me to a catholic school right, but that was partly because It was a good school, and that was the nearest one to where we lived here. My brother went to a catholic high school and he's a jew like the ageing yeah yeah, but choices would quite so star, but you get. The idea was some point where my brother went do like sums go and he came home singing a song about your Jesus. Loving him in my parents were, will take
back at a sort of set him straight with the vague notion that we don't do the gs. They say we're, not sure what we do, but it's not that it's the best. I remember I remember coming home from school. One day when I was I was, this was primary school near mustard. I was younger than ten, certainly I'm really coming home and telling my dad that one of the so one of the nuns at school had told me off because I'm I hadn't gone to I'd said that didn't go to mass near and the nun had said something like well. You know you're going to is a good chance that you know people who don't get a mass go to hell, yeah, something like that and I told my dad and he hit the roof. He was sorry he was the I'd. Never I've never seen my dad it was. scary, ass. He was screaming and shouting in italian, spanish and, and he
down to the school. He went down the school bare the next day and he kind of just was screaming at the headmistress, and just you know, and after that I was What was the, what was the screaming about what, anyway, he was just basically just saying you know, don't talk to my son. This way horizon did things to my kid is sort of I buy. I remember he said something about. I know about you, people I saw. I saw things in spain and and he told me the story, air, the He had seen in the in the owls of some church. He had seen through the bones all the the above of babies and I believe this night. This may well have been just him swallowing dino propaganda, I said these were these? Were the bones of babies who had been born from nuns, aha and how they'd been killed and kept there secretly or the you know all this kind of waiting.
a key step but they're, not gonna unarmed everything in our come on. Yes, be these products that use polly, exaggerating air, but then, of course, you told took on a hard line: catholics when you come to know that, there's there's all that there's all that shit in the background. You know the layers and layers so yeah and you can- and you start thinking well maybe she may there was that there were elements of truth that very well mad day. He was absent furious, but the irony, of course, what he scared. The budget is Adam me because he was so angry, but when I went back to school the day after I was like the hero for a couple of days, you know your dad you're ahead. If that's how Mary systematic kevin that she was an hour or so revolution. For acting. Then I'm not in tonight at ten, but I know that that time. We used to do this thing in school. It was
just the way for the last hour of the last of the friday we this thing where we would kind of put on little plays on little shows- and I just remember, doing a little thing, a little skit that I'd worked out with my chum mir and getting a laugh re That idea is a story. You hear a million times, performers laugh the moment, so you kind of go. This is this. Is this? Is is this: is it now? I have no idea of my. mother, told me once that I was nine years old. When I first said I want to be an actor, but I don't believe for a moment that at that age I had any idea of what it implied or what you know what was involved right. you're, just a showman opposite show of me. I was a show, and in fact, years later, when I was doing I was doing first leading role on broadway, for which play
like old art area and an it, was a huge success and and my old drama teacher from high school who's who had stayed friend What the sky was a very, very, very important part, my life. He came with his with his partner to come and see the show new york, which I was thrilled about from england, yeah and I came in his partner out to dinner. With another friend of mine, who happened to be in town and my friend, Andy turned round to ma since and said so Martin, when you it's aging credit score, we was, was he a good actor and moroccan? Instead he kind of went now. He was a dreadful actor, but he was a marvelous show off yeah. So that's how I started. I was like terrific show, who is great with this. Guy's name was martin Martin corbett and he just encouraged. You are yeah he his his first day at school. As a teacher was my first day there as a student, and he he was. He was
He came in as I think he was deputy head of the english department and the one of the first things he did. Was he started a stay night drama club and he started the teaching plays putting on plays at the end of each semester, and of course I was like I was happy as a pig in shit. I thought it was just the most fantastic thing I live for. Those Wednesday nights is? It is weird that a howl like that one guy or that one teacher in high school can change your whole life. He did I he was the first adult apart from my mother, who I sort of confided in and said I want to be an actor and p. This is what Martin basically said: okay I'll do whatever I. and to help you, but the minute you dropped the bull, I'm washing my hands of you what does that mean? Basically what men was if you're serious I'll be said, is. It now help you in high oil yeah, but if you're bay, but if you know, if you being flippin or you don't know- you don't put under percent f into this autumn
his do with wow really da, and I was like a little. I was a little taken aback by that by that approach, but actually I really appreciate him because he gave me reading list. She gave me things to look at you can eat to eat, he suggested place reed movies. I should see really, I well kind of just just off them, appropriate, and I would add that we help me understand what day an actor was gonna be like for you. Never would you would never know about them hadn't, he told you know really near any, are used in the center of the place. He said you need to start if you wanted, if you are serious about being enacted, gotta start reading plays by shakes Yes, shakespeare spend coward, george Bernard Shaw. You know all that stuff stuff which in the normal traffic of events. Probably I wouldn't have been exposed to the idea that guy yeah sorry was. He was an ape. He was sir, he did things like when I auditioned for drama school, since in my second last year, my last year at school,
I had to do, I got him. I got a place at drama school and then I auditioned in front of a board here and the local educational authority for a grant. So I could you know I could afford to go to college yeah, and I forgot my lines in the audition and they turned me down. So I was heartbroken. I went back to the school, I told Martin what had happened and he wrote a very impassioned letter to the board saying please. This young man is talented, give him another chance. He was nervous. You know I guarantee you he'll be spot on next and they and he really fought for me in and I got another audition and I pass, and I got my gram of great yeah yeah like what movies did he make? You watch I. It was things like Was I tell you what it was the outcome of the title of it now, but there's that wonderful movie with tony curtis and sidney poitier about the escaped convicts. Oh yea in the heat of the night, told me to look at and he told me to look up. Movies like lawrence of arabia, and
his comedies, all the all these ailing. These were like old movie, which would it would but turn up on t v saw. You said you know, make an effort. Watch these movies it. The defiant ones, is that the refine right yeah. I can't believe I remembered that it's neither can neither can I but I'm, but I'm thankful, my brain rarely works. I just want to make it clear. I did that without googling. I did that. Yes, I can verify that I'm standing sitting right- I opposite- did not touch my keyboard. I just remembered that it's a it's a it's it's a rare thing. So all right, so like the education. Like I mean and so many different roles in your time. I get you constantly working yes, I yes touch, would that that's been the case and Bobby very fortunate that we would like, You know eunuch, I I I do a little acting myself now
And I know my listeners get tired of me now now that now that I'm acting a bit and whenever I have actors on I'm like so, what's your what's your process, but the education is because I didn't have any of that education, but I mean you, you were classically trained yeah and they was an ip. No. That was the kind of that was the traditional and accepted and expected journey was sent me. I got a drama school and trained that that was what shakespeare, the glad that yemen is better. The we didn't the most contemporary play that we actually worked on in my drama school, written in nineteen, thirty nine everything else was before that. It was all kind of everything we do that was in the classical canon, but that was the way that, the way the drama was tool in those days when I was very different sure provide
it's like you've been doing that. You know what what exactly? What paces are you sort of walking through the that stay with you? I mean, like you know, when the he's doing what you doing shakespeare or you're doing. I know you do in greek to like ina what what what? What does programme in your brain, I think what a good thing when it gives you is an understanding of the history the tradition that you are now jaw right. You know, and and it's a bit like It has been the old adage about you know: breaking the rules, is great, but you gotta know what the rules offer sure sure and I think that's essentially what it is in a unique you view in order to in order to kind of expressed, and and and the kind of break new ground. You have to understand how that ground arrived there in the first place right around through just you're, just a cheater and eighty eight, while kind of your you or your jack on a trusty. All, oh, you don't have a context for what doing an ice. It, sir, you remember that
last time I heard very kind of out there free form jazz year, cecil taylor. I didn't get it. What gonna guy? Why is this? It just sounds like which just kind of making noise and then it a friend of mine who was a jazz van said mama, you got, and these guys they could play you anything. You ask them to play that they've arrived they've, they've journeyed here I urge you to fuck you they. Yet I haven't. I stick the avengers lad in category hey: what's there's a sex about what does it do, but this is the seventies you said yeah. I was a drama school from seventy two. Seventy five, so when you get out, I mean, is the hay day of experimental british theatres? It's a little! It's already going it very! Oh yeah yeah there was when I, when I came out a drama school, there was a very healthy alternative, fit a circle. and the theatre seen there were lots of small companies kind of applying for project.
Wrong and so on. They were doing some really interesting work. There was a big explosion in in in feminist theatre in in income, a gay theatre alternative. Loads of these wonderful, disparate voices, people making work making the yeah. Sometimes they do it in a garage or they do in a small little black box somewhere in the middle of nowhere. They would tulip that you know touring art centers where king clause working men's did you notice without yeah yeah? I worked with two companies one county was seven. Eighty four and the other company was cool belt and braces, and we took, and we took shows They had a very strong political content and we took them onto its cause Jews and andor, working men's social clubs and stuff Lana, and why, in the in and how was the reaction? I mean the reaction was was a it depending on the quality of the show. Reaction was good. Sometimes it was not so good. Play we did the
This is with seventy four with beside them braces. I did the what was then the original british production of a dairy fund, I called accidental death of an anarchist. Oh yeah. I remember that that was a that was a hugely kind of successful, whereas very successful tour. It went to the extended eventually, but without me, and it was it was a time when there was a lot of public money available for opt for art. We're in all its forms are theatre music over. There was a there, was a generosity within from with state money here that started to shrink. Once Margaret thatcher became prime minister when it all this, is this always blossoming of public money for the arts whenever there is a labour government. as soon as it considers get back in. It will start to shrink again and did you
at the in britain that there there is more of an audience for theatre. There is very much so very much so there there there's an audience for theatre, there's, also a good theater, certainly because you know uh the the. british enthusiasm for theatre doesn't mean that they'll just they'll take anything another I thought, if anything they quite that they want a quite fussy, beer it's our member, going to the theater in new york, with it friend of mine, and he said Seen. Five shows this week in every single show this standing ovation at the. the show and to our own is different. one of them deserve, did the other. Four certainly did not like it, because in england in london the audiences don't stand up. They they stand.
If it's really exceptional hear them, I mean I think he got a standing ovation. If you turn up with yeah, you forget through it. If you get sirens on their feet, cheering you, but I guess that's also part of that tradition that you, you know you sort of worn when you do classical stuff and you do shakespeare that there is at it started there. So I hear, there's, like you know, centuries of of of what it is invented the end where no sun, and also now that fit has become a thin. I think somewhere along the way. In the modern era, somebody who win but somebody somewhere suddenly said you know what this can make money This is right. This is, and this is a good, workable business model, and so people like camera makin, saw she was no up up. An independent producers that I worked with They started putting money into the infrastructure, they started, they style renovate.
Theatres of making the whole experience of going to with it a much more pleasant yeah. You know when I was a kid going too there was a bit of a challenge because the state is were bit grubby, Riah were run down. You know you couldn't get you couldn't get a drink in the interval. We never did. The ice cream came in these thomson did pray was weeks, old and new near them There wasn't much care warm ice cream. Warm ice cream kind of advice like a thick milkshake had really bad as disgusting, but you know, but then, but that started to change. So now you know you go to the theater now in london and major cities in england and is in its it's a great night. What what was the big? re coming. Wendy did you? Were you gunning for television on you and I are going to be a theatre. At least that was a thing in my for my generation fear was was always the first entry point for work, You didn't even think about like how to get in movies movies and tv with something that was
way ahead in the future that you had to come like work towards right, yet so in a way I get well known enough or urban and the chance to do a tv move. what a movie and who are the elders in iam for your generation yo in the in the theater world that everybody looked up though it was, I mean it was people like you know, Glenda Jackson and trevor nunn yeah. We had we had some great actors of Donald Sinden and a Piero too You know there was some. There were great that there actors, who were like, maybe ten fifteen twenty years ahead of us here, who would great work, and that was what we aspire to and and the we're getting into the national fears are getting into the royal shakespeare company working with in a really good provincial companies. The bristol old vic the exchange they re manchester and some that was what you aimed for yeah.
But it was always there sad because that's what we were trained it I mean there's, no we're not one at my. I'm a school there with the them? The most technological class was a class, was rather vaguely called radio microphone technique, and that was it there was no. There were no class about screen work or how to how addition, for runs away. Then I'm not unlike. I guess the thing you doing now. This the angel vine yeah podcast day like the bbc, had radio play, how yeah and inside it days other they may still did the bbc had a repertory company here and the bbc, radio, rep and every drama school was invited to enter a competition, and so every drama school would would. Things would would send, may be too or sometimes three of them. We are best unions to enter this competition there and you would basically audition
for the BBC radio rep and if you won the prize was a six month contract with the bbc radio revenue. That was like rate when I was serious here. That meant that a few with you one this year, you'd leave dramas, go and you'd be in a job. You have a job, a job for six months hocking. You know it was like. I was that, so we all what we all. When did it we all kind of tried to do than when not I like. I did what I did a radio show for the bbc in one of their old hot, like they have like those put even the bbc in building his room with as an audience in it and its it, as it's own history. You're going to shit happened in here with there's like a tree a tradition by it, It's all in one place is very few places like that here, where you noted that that's where it all happened that we, when you have a national radio ye know the
studios are, are historic, that's right, that's right and so much has gone on and you I remember the very first time I worked at the bbc to do a radio job, and I was told that the the the studio we were in was where some really famous sir, his fiction series from the forties and had been transmitted. yeah when it was live and you would find all these sort of old actors who radio stars who did almost nothing but radio and be full of little hints like your dear boy, when you turn the pages of your script, just hold it away from the microphone and perhaps and trying and trying to fold up the ends of the pages, so you've got something to grab just a little hint They can be. They give you a little bit. Of course, at the time I was young after all those old guys. Those guys were, I looked looked up to them. They were the does that they were they. They were the actors that had been through what you were going through.
But had experience what you are hoping to experience and and what they their knowledge, their understanding, even their cynicism about it was, was useful. And also there was there. It sounds like him. In Britain there was a working class element to that. Oh very much, so, yeah famous guys do you know the jobs for a time it was Piero tool and albert Finney's generation yeah. They into the royal academy of dramatic art, and they just kick the shit out. Play some india that they were the ones that what kind of going nominal gonna change my axe- and you don't know me Don't talk to me. You know that that that they have the the guts to kind of just challenge? All that if you get to work with either I got to work now and I got to be. I became sort of friendly for a while with albert finney, because we had a couple of mutual friend. There are never go what we need as all old guys, but they were. They were the people we were kind of. They were the people we adored another that they cause. They think that they seem to think
walk the walk and talk the toll, sure what I mean yeah yeah, and they they lived the life. They did very much very much so I mean I mean, there's a lot of there's a lot of since format that you might want to avoid less right. You were, I worked with a word with a wonderful old article, Sebastian sure who was a great characterized leading man at the royal shakespeare company. When I was there just kind snag spear carrying an the other way you want. It's called, is very specific area and land and bear it. I haven't I I realized like a lot of young actors? You know you when you, when you're talking to old writers, you want to notice that you want to have- and I I think I said to Mr Shaw. I think I said something like the shorty. Do you have any any advice for me? I know- and I was kind of- bit gushing- and he said that I have is I'll, give you some advice. He said never stand when you can sit,
I never said if you can lie down at the time. I thought just to these just an old far as they are, but now that I'm in my sixties, myself, I'm thinking, that's really good advice, yeah, sad? I gave it to show its practical. It totally so so when does the wet, where how does the brig the big break, reveal itself army in terms of? When did you start working well I'd I'd, I was always working, norway's doing what I wanted to do, or not always doing a surly. What what was the best thing to do? But I see Madame as part of your work ethic yeah, I just yeah- I mean I just I just the you know I grew up with. I grew up in a family that really lived paycheck to which was your dad on board with the acting, not really not really. He thought he was little and he was. Bemused by it, and then I think he became slightly irritated by it and then he
It's dismissed it, you know cause he it wasn't, it didn't seem to be, of any consequence. Did he see he didn't get to see any of you are going to say a few things you got to see a few things I mean he was. He was a he, but he had something about. He never quite was able to express any pride or any enjoyment of what I did. There was always a caveat. There was always It was always kind of like almost big grudgingly adknowledge acknowledging what I was doing but then, of course, after he died, I discovered that that he had a suitcase like a big bag of. full of clippings and posters and articles and photographs. You know he just, but he couldn't actually with a lot more than last things he saw before he passed away, he I did a play where
in the second half of the play. My character is in full drag here because he's that's his that's his job in this he is out using a gang of, and and this and that's his put, that's his would job in the highest is too connell. I, your deflect attention were safe in full, drag on a street corner pertaining to be a lady of the night. and my father comes to see the show and afterwards he says they exist. The visas are further. He was incredible when you when you are dressed up as a woman. You look just like your mother. and I was thrilled by this- and I kind of went off- did you think Attractive goes ridiculous. That was, I was the best that was the closest I got to accomplish was I when I was in drag. I look like my mum. Why is with that? There's? What is it?
fathers in that thing like what it I'm? What is the obstacle? Well, I've I said I know auditor I can only spot. I can only speak from my own experience at this. I'm sure there's a million and one reasons why fathers do that with their can't, be they can express their yeah. I I think I think, with my dad. It was because I think what I was doing, what I was The way I was living, my life you, what was important to me. He just could not understand he got me a job just off to a pool just off the drama school. got me a job in the restaurant, where he was working here. He was vomiting by this time. He was bartending in this restaurant and he got me a job as a as a waiter and if I say so myself I was. I was quite good at it good enough that my manager, asked me if I'd be interested in going on a paid two week course which the John would pay for to train, as
assistant manager near now. If waiting able or waiting and if working in the catering business had been maya. That would have been like a great thing to do. Yeah I turned it down because I wanted to I didn't want to. I want. I want duck yeah I wanted to it's time to go to auditions and stuff I told my dad that I turned it down. His disappointment was palpable air and he was, but I don't think he was disappointed for me. I think he was just embarrassed. We know because he he made it think he thought that it made him, look as if he hadn't raised me properly, while also somehow something like that, then when I left, a job and took an acting job, which was paying me something like a third what I was earning as a waiter. He could bet that was it. He could barely talk to me. He just didn't understand your choices, didn't get it. So what
as oklahoma. The first big thing that was the first big that was the first big m stage, production that I got involved in yeah. That was the one that kind of got me a little bit of attention, and that was like in the eighties, that was nice yeah that was about brought about my daughter was born. It would have been like a nice in asia, eighty one. So that was what it what it's like. I don't know anything about the production by no, it got a lotta attention and it was a revival of it was. Major revival of the musical, since the nineteen fifties? Isn't it Of odd that a got so much attention, what was it about them out and out? What I think is because it was very popular that the shows very properly and it was the first time we hadn't been the head. production of Oklahoma for nilly on thirty years is like like some sort of unearthing, my yes, it was like a. It was like a big deal and we took it onto a first and then we came into the west end. so yeah. It was, and also we had a great this young
Australia, singer gianduja trick whose absolutely brilliant in the roll out only Annie If there was a bear, it was kind of big deal, he ran for a year and a half I did. I did I did like ten months in it. I wonder what the what what the appeal was it when it cuz it was. I guess, in terms of I guess it's brittany, in Oklahoma, is very specifically air. America was a, but it was a huge success when it first came over to england and you and I had and has always been a growing. What in the thirties, you mean you're whenever way. Yet when it came up more time over in the late forty two year leave I think that was the last time we'd seen a production of it in the west end. I don't, I don't know the show, but like ages, a musicals or this a whole other they're, literally every every every number in the show was a hit mere over the years. Every number, in the show it I've been released as a single or had been part of famous singers repertoires. So All the numbers were right. My
character. I played Jud fry, the bad guy. He has one song in the the musical mir which was cut from the movie so every night I went on stage every other song as soon as they were saying be at what they were either singing along or as they heard the opening bows. There was a kind of a round of polite awry right here, a beautiful by I'm just a girl who and then of I one and my song stars dome dome history, dark you the floor weeks. The door squeaks here as a mouse and nibbling on a broom is all very kind of dog and ippudo paranoid, and of course, when, when that stars, I could see the whole Orleans kind of turning their heads kind of guy. I dunno this
what was the song? I've never heard the song, so every other song in the show got like cheers at the end. You know people will say we're in love. The price goes mad. I end up with my in my lonely room. In some ways out. I said I was it was. It was a real kind of learning experience and that's it in that started the theatre all. Yet what kind of over then, and then it was just after that that I did to that. Did my first movie
which movie was that was a raiders of the lost that you've really done. Your research ma really impressed, as the last I dunno. Sometimes I talked to people from riverhead of the wiki wikipedia is not always great amd be good, but sometimes I talk to people it's like. Why did this little movie that you can't find on there yeah, but that was a matrix yeah? No, that's a big movie. I remember you there, the guy with the spikes coming out of the air yeah. That's right! It was very disturbing I my producer, I think it scarred him for life. The way he liked for aid said my work here is done for most of his wife. You are that guy, because he was a kid. That's the guy. Who is a lesbian you get booked out of a out of out of england for re area, because in those days shooting up that the dispute system in england was very economically depressed at the time yeah students were empty people were shooting there if that the? film. Industry was going through. One of its cyclical down turns
see my one ad real quick that here on this particular resume. It says that there was a movie before that in that onu a nightingale sang in berkeley square, that's erroneous, see It's why I I played stupid, that's erroneous that I've never done a movie called I. What that that is, I've got a feeling. It says your uncredited and it's a port official Oh, I know what now none and I've got a feeling someone's got. I think that was the title. an episode of a tv show. I did You can count on trust them. You can trust them, so they saw the film industry very depressed. It was very depressed and so ray, cheap to shoot in england now so basely? What mt it is they they brought their whole production office over to england. They had they'd already cost harrison. Food and Karen Allen from the states every other actor in the in the movie was cast in london.
Consequence. We were all working on the british equity contracts which did not include any residual payments. Really ninth, so we all got go like a lump sum. That is why I am that now, his way was we win. We didn't, we never had a residual system in english film contracts, you just got paid your fee and You are style, you'd, negotiate a big fat fee, and that was it's really yeah, and- and I mean I think, is slightly change now, but sunny in those days, so we would cheap, very cheap It's also very grateful, and- and then you were, you were doing british tv as well the little bit of tv, but still even after even after the the the the movie, I was still you know, regularly working in the theatre and regional theatre in la in LA I didn't mean it was. It was just an on that the films really didn't come my main, employment until I came to live in the states and it
but you are for years. You are sort of like one of those guys like there's that guy again, oh yea, how I was like me I've I suddenly was on that track of the characteristic reiner. Oh yes, what is not does now. What's his name, you know yogurt year, which is which I've never complained about a that that it's a better way to be the best way to work. Yeah that life got to put two kids through college on I have no complacency and you don't have the pressure of like you know you gotta, be you know. That's right. I mean there's a great there's, a lot of love till the story, often, but as a great quote of a the late, Sir Bob hoskins, who, who said that loved popping in and out of movies you doing little cameo be and the reason he loved it so much. He said he said it turned out they're, happy to see you. They treat you like the crown jewels and if the movie sucks, nobody blames you that's right
and it's perfect, but there. But then you have big like prick up your ears. That was a big move. Big part yeah. That was a nice that was a that was a nice big lead in a in a in a in a vet. What was then a very prestigious, very it that was, it very much kind of pushed the envelope socially and politically. You know it was the first on that we saw a guy. relation of, albeit a destructive one, bad gay relationship, betrayed, as as a relationship and not as some kind of you secretive criminal, been overcome kind of endeavor. It was, it was that it was the opening of a whole new way of telling a story. You know, and of course it was based on true and everything said that it was quite it that was quite important moment and such a disturbing character very much so yet I am. I summoned avis. That was the fur time the she spent a lot of time before shooting act lee researching the raw and the history of these two characters. Gary oldman and I we
in friends, we knew that we'd done a play together and I and we we spent three or four weeks just every day, together just kind of working out these time timelines. Ear of you know where, where where these characters were at at any particular moment. So when we arrived to shoot the movie, we kinda felt very much at home with with the characters and with the events of this ori and so on, and that- and that really took that- saw me a great lesson here and that's something that I've continued to do whenever I've worked on, particularly when I've worked on films, where I'm playing a character who actually just did at some point, while they're in- and I wouldn't imagine to I cause you did do you played mark rothko in red, yeah and now he's was accomplished,
David care very much so yeah and an interesting, the the the the more complicated they are, the more contradictory the information you get, the more interesting it is to play. What do you mean a concert in the sense that they used to be an exercise at drama school that we used to do where you would write down a list of all the things that your character says about himself and then you write a list of all the things that the other characters say about your character right and the writing is often when those when those things comp a contradict each year. you know if a character says: oh I'm just an ordinary person right. You know, I'm just you and then someone else says. Oh my god, when I saw him the other day, he was drunk and dancing on a table here. You are that kind of contradiction. You think, oh this and this interesting stuff to worldwide reiner, I add, is in real life, were well contradictory, we'll constantly contradicting ourselves. And so that was so when, once with mark rothko
You know I read all the stuff that he'd written about his work. I read you know I I read the the the the m with the brethren brightly added that the present biography, which is absolutely definitive here, plus christopher roscoe ma, am I what goes some christopher has written a fantastic book which is a kind of allison of his dad's work and and and and way that was at in his life any particular time So all of that stuff was very, very useful and very helpful, but ultimately the thing in all areas. Is paying voice to watch an actor schlep here, his own work on stage with him, so you have to integrated somewhere you why you? What you do is what I will do. What I do is you? U absorb as much of it is that is useful and then forget it. Because, ultimately, all you're doing is really create recreating. What's on the page right, you can't suddenly decide to rewrite something bees you happen to know what he had for breakfast in nineteen fit.
I believe that it goes in there and, finally, I think argues that this becomes part of your some terribly pollute number. It becomes part of your creative dna right in some way right in in that something you do you ve done now, you do it all the time yet it becomes. It becomes gonna. Second nature in away. You know, I mean what course when you, if you're playing a purely fictional character than of course you know it's just you generation that sir, you just need your you just need your imagination, sure so gave so you going back and forth bring one to the states by the the the play art brings you to new york and new york yeah, and I was already I was already living in in the states when I did the art, but then that, but that was the first time that worked for a long period of time in new york, and I was a huge show, who's that who's in that garber, with victor garber alan Alda yeah a great company, we we we became, we all became good friends and we've remained so I don't good guy fence
they may any was like. It was like our dad here in a way you kind of he some took victor and I under his wing and and as wonderful moment when Adam was always very very keen on, on like finding a new restaurant and he was, he loves food, he was always very excited to find a new place and he came into work one night and said guys As a great new italian restaurant, it's a you know of any dimension. The name of the chef here, they've just opened downtown, I'm going to I'm going to get maya, I'm going to get my assistant and he gave a name. Is I'm going to get my assistance as a to do, and I said oh, I thought I wish I was your system how is it? What to assistance here, one in the office and then I said something like well. That must cost you a fortune, an alibi. is it. I've got a fortune yeah. I loved I used is, and what, what? How do you
as a guy. You've done a lot of movies, some of them I've seen some of them. I haven't yeah like some of them. I forgot I saw but like, but you work with the wake. How much you like when you work with somebody like Jim Jarmusch, I am trying to remember him how big the pardon dead man was. It wasn't big was basically one scene. We I'd one scene in the kind of trading post, rear, johnny, depp and gary farmer come in and there's this kind of beyond you. Initiation which gets very tense and That was the only time I buy went up to with the huge shooting it in somewhere in oregon, and I went therefore a week, and I was there for three four days not doing much. Then we shut all that stuff and in like one day and then a few years later- The gym called me I enemy and in the interim I'd worked with Sarah driver, Jim's partner and and I'd done a film with her
in germany, which one was I was cool when pigs fly away area and storing and starring marianne faithfull, she's an interesting woman rudy yeah. I used to see. I worked at a coffee shop in harvard square when she was drying out at some point in the in that way a decent she's to come in every day and she looked weathered here to buy an amazing woman, I'm gonna gray simony stories anyway. so and then, after that, a gym coach called me up about coffee and cigarettes and he has been you know, he'd been making these little vignettes for years. Trying to find a way of Somehow poems have, and he just said I've got this idea for a little short. Would you be interested in? It was myself and Steve Coogan, and I said yes straight away cause. You know I am a big fan of Steve. He was just here a cool guy ready, elastic and Jim just bases said that he didn't have a script. He just had an idea for a scene year, and so we we improvised a lot of it. Amazon prime.
the fun and we didn't improvise in front of the we we we worked it all out the day before a rehearsal rehearsal. We had a night. We had a pretty good idea where we were going to go with it. but I'd never work that way before I'd. Never I'd, never done a movie or any or all worked on a film where there was so much freedom to just kind of envy. Stop it just cut you and that that was really exciting. Have you got more? That's no! Not not. Now I haven't is funny it at night that a kind of it was like the most delete it. Was I finding the most delicious dish in the buffet I just thinking you know what I'm just going to have that and then you go to another buffet and there's nothing. If it's not that easy, I think you and your coogan should work more to get what we had from now. At least, I hope, I hope hope, Steve's memory of that film is as fond of him as mine is bob, and I I remember I remember. For instance, we did this whole. We going to this whole riff about his coat.
Which was a conversation that we'd had literally a couple of hours before in the lunch break here, when I said something like a serene ice code. You and yes, Vivian westwards ass cool ass, you and then side. An answer in the scene. I just kind of win nice coat When then he just went off on this whole thing is brilliant. I thought this was such great way to work alone, ray Allen. The moment I loved it it's hard to get in the moment so, like Just read that the weird thing is, we could spend a long time with the with a lot of the stuff in the in the resume cuz he's done so much by, but just read an article recently by two days at three days ago. you're seeing him buggy nights by getting while you was like a new yorker, seeing someone sorted like how does it hold up and you know and there's a reference to that scene and I'm I have you assume that no matter what you do, a lot of people are never going to forget that oh yeah, that comes up a lot and I'm delighted that this or that I've, never I chop up of
I understood it when actors kind of get a little irritated when people kind mention fear, iconic stuff, that they've done right. You know, and you know you hear back just kind of saying things like oh. I wish I would wish I'd stop talking about that movie. I did you know that if a bothers, because- to those moments that you know in a small way I mean I may be It may be a footnote in the history of film, but it's it's there and know any exists and, and I'm very, very proud of it, proud of those things like when people come up people still say it mean, usually men of a certain age year will say I, like it I'll, be in a bar or something or in a restaurant or in a line in the coffee shop, and someone will come up and say, throw me the idol I'll throw either with her. As you write, and I'll say yeah. That was me and then they always say. Then they always apologize. It was a jar or you must you must get. You must hate that when people do that, and I would say not don't icy, I'm delighted I am delighted that you remembered it I'm delighted that is part of europe.
venus memory of of things. Nice things, that's a mom I am but that's also. The great thing about you know going back to Bob Hoskins talk. Is that when you have those moments? where you're not the whole movie. You can really be. In that moment those are the ones that people really remember you in the bolder. but yeah, I'm very happy with the billing you've. Given me by the way I came before the boulder, I'm delighted, you're right I mean it's and it's not it's not. I don't think. There's anything to be ashamed of, it's nothing to be embarrassed by you know, and then you know other people might talk about boogie nights or and it's I'm on. It delights me a I'm, I'm I'm I find it flattering They remember, and I am delighted that is that it sets a positive memory. You know it's a great movie, but would they lighted the most wonderful thing TT? He did the most wonderful thing when boogie nice
was released here. He went to the trouble of calling every single person that was involved in that film to thank them our contribution to an item just mean the act as I'm in crew below people who went on screen. He believed that movie was a huge thing for him and He beat you just called every hour. I thought I was such a classy thing to do. How now think back on the on that scene. I mean like in terms of how you put together a character you're. You know what was that work? Well, the the the the story goes, I'm not sure I've never been able to corroborate this, but the story goes that the part was already cast air and the actor who was caused at the very last minute dropped out near the story. Goes that his that that this actor's reps got wind of this movie was about pornography and stopping there at maybe,
be. Maybe you shouldn't be associated with. It was something, and so he dropped ass. I got a call from one produces John Lyons, who I knew when he was a accosting director and he said, look We will wouldn't do this, but you know when we were in a bit of a jam. Would we, as would you be interesting coming plate playing this PA is only going to be like a couple of days, work or turned out to be about three four days, and I had to come back from a film I'd been away. for a long long time, so I was really happy to be working in our lay an it sure, and then he said why I'll get I'll get pool to call you so poor calls me and says: ok, is the part he's a coped up drug dealer on a shotgun rampage and I went yeah I'll do it, because I was thinking I've never done that before. So I said: yeah I'll do it and then he sent me the script and he explained who this character was how it was loosely based on this character that actually existed in ash. He was I think,
but goes in vienna you ate in another movie. I think his name was now yet. He was like our armenia enter or a rainy and urge Israel and with the kabul, or yeah, and he and he was he was kind of in a drugs and porn and stuff, and yet so, but I I thought this is going to be great fun, yeah fun to do and and and it was, wonderful time. I think he played him in the the John holmes movie there. wonderland wonderland. Disturbing yeah very much but day, but that set must been crazy, that it was and it was- and it was a lot of fun because PT very inventive he the scene with the other, with the crackers firecrackers yeah he, basically, told, the young man who is playing cosmo, the young it was like lighting the fire act, as the five crackers were full bore. They were like near they weren't, that is a anything and he said to this kid lie the many old time. Don't worry about content
July them. Whenever you want to hear which, of course, the sound man kind of went nuts because it had you but walked by here. He had a good read what he wanted to do as he wanted all the actors except me to be re genuinely was by so whenever you have a show of the three her thomas Jane John c reilly and mark wahlberg on the sofa and they're jumping yeah every time that that was for real, I didn't know when it was coming year. This garbage light them throw them back. They know and I said well how my am I not going to react cause I'm going to be here so what they do they they love. One of my ears were put, was plugged up and the other area had an earwig in it. So I couldn't hear anything or I could hear, was dialogue right. So for me every funk. I could just sounded like very kind of vague in the background noise jumping out of their skins and I'm walking to the same like
oblivious like in this town, and it was such a brilliant idea, brilliant annex, of course it created this weird. There was weird energy in that scene, because everyone else is not freaking out and I'm just floating through it. Like you know, like I'm oblivious, I was there just singing love to I. We had such a good time it must've been. There was that there was a john c Reilly interview somewhere and he said that, and he was being asked about that. Seen these again, I will just We were just sitting on the sofa watching the Alfred molina show we're gonna was good shot, and you worked with him again on magnolia yeah yeah had a nice little part in that that was interesting and yeah. He he's I, I love. I love his work. Yeah I was, I was a fan. You know I I'd seen hot eight. first movie, which I thought was fantastic. So this was a you know. I just
if you know it is, I said yes even before you know, even before John finished, his first sentence or a year and what like like when I saw spiderman to where you play that doctor octopus, like I like it, the thing is is like you bring something sort of like so visceral to a chemist. Anything you do like that's that that guy seemed almost like I mean the way you played it was like it was almost shakespearian somehow like wow. That's that's very kind of you so, like I said nice way of saying over the top right, but but but that's good. If required, there was no well. It was partly that that was the I'm glad that came across because that was partly to do with the sound. SAM Raimi. I think what he wanted was something otherworldly, Somehow he won't. He wanted. He wanted his villain to be in the same way that in the first one, william to phone right villain in the first in sam's first by demand visa had this kind of
larger than life had a kind of he had. He had a style yeah. You know, and I think I think sam was was was into that you know and and so but that was another game that was another another amazing experience working in a way that had never worked with before. I know, I'd never done a movie that was so technically complicated, but here you know yeah. I was and all that the sea gee I and the animation and the all the all the technology that was that was employed, in that film was at a level that I'd never experienced before and it was exciting it was. It was like a real, it was on making movies in a whole way, otherwise, never done before. So did you buy have to wear arms. Yet that they sums yeah. There was a huge rig that that was operated by puppets is there was there was another wreck that was on cable when there was some
Some of the sum of the shots were animated and see g, eyed and stuff I mean whenever they were close up said I had the arms we know behind me come also lighting, very, very gently. That was because the other puppeteers were giving it life, though they were at. This is green, interesting thing with the poverty we're operating the arms yeah we're actors themselves, so they were kind of they were, giving the arms a kind of another kind of personnel so, each arm had something we I wind up, calling them Harry larry flow and mouth name, the renamed, the arms Harry Larry flower, my e still, I you get excited about every job. I do Do I think, that's what reads more than anything else I haven't lost my I haven't lost my joy, it and I think it's partly because I'm I look- and this is by might sound a bit sentimental, but I look up I look at my family and what they had to do in order to allow me to do this,
the you know that they may not have understood me all the time, but they always, but they made sacrifices on my behalf, we're under so I I feel I'm conscious of that and am aware of it and I'm thankful and grateful for it and and it's given me, they gave me a chance to in a way- I dream my the has become a very nice way to earn a living as it's given me, a lovely life, it's given me, a a is is given me the chance to be part of a wonderful community. you know some on and on Going to I love my eye with, as I say, to people I love my tribe yeah, proud of them and I'm proud to be part of it, the actors, yeah and anyone. Anyone who works in showbiz in show business really and you do like a twinkie. It's crazy. I mean you do like voices. You're on rick and morty you've done a bit on drunk history. Show up like you know you do like you is. If you
got a few days. You're gonna do I'm a bit of a slut that way but I'll I'll I'll yeah. I find it very hard to say no yeah but I said no in the past, but it's usually when it's really really bad, but I mean it. It's. Luckily, I've I've I've. Only I managed to find something I enjoyed in in the work I've done and still, You guys resurrected red in the last year. Yeah we did it launch because we never did a western run. We'd done it on Broadway we'd done it in l a we did it in a small theater in dunmar in london, which is officially regarded as the west end, but it's not like a proper west end house is kind of small sony, two hundred fifty seats and how was it, went when great yeah we did very well. It was a big hit. How that was still in your head. not a lot of it. Actually to be honest, cuz it being a good right now is he had done it before, but once started, working on it and relearning and big chunks of it were becoming. so it so it was all there just needed to become a dugout.
and since you're saying right, yeah I I was. I was amazed. I was grateful for that because I looking at the player Remember how how kind of hard, it was to learn it in the first place. I was every night I was given it couple of hours of just work, just drilling drilling the lies to midst, so they were just like would come easy air and I thought ok to call it all that again. You know but achey it's hard to combat, but it came back and it was really interesting. It came back in these chunks of her and I so then I damage my problem was working out. How to put this, chunks in the right order. Yeah yeah this is you, have all the ingredients right. Well, what goes in first, the onions peppers were going through. You just got it through repetitions, yeah, exactly yeah. We played the diego rivera too, so you've done a couple of artists, yeah yeah! up and never point go gone, no, not network. I know I know I know of china summit somebody,
somebody sent me a photo of painting of yeah, we have one aka self poetry. I know that's the one that was yeah and I I looked up and, and he said no look familiar. It's like you did the whole side of his head and some of the air was an alien. Yes, duff in the background area, and I thought you have sprung not moving off the plane. megan those I think. Let's get on it, Well, ok, I am making note of it. So let's talk about, let's finish up by talking about this or this podcast as angel of vine. What is that? Well, basically, it's a it's a ten part podcast and it's it's a combination of it's a bit The combination of like l, a noire, baja and little element of time travel. Little element of documentary fear. The premise is that a stash of tapes year I discovered yeah and the tapes
of a long retired police officer on the lapd in the fifties, working on a case working on a case that was never resolved and it's him recording his in his interviews, his encounter way their murder case. It's a murder case. His cruelty is yeah, just like true detective kind of and is loosely based on the black dahlia. Oh, that was earlier, though, now yeah, but it's, but it's got this kind of a it's got. This sort of you know the types discovered and it's how this character starts working on? and going through them and gets caught up in this case and wants to try and solve the case sort of like a case case going going back in time. I, through these tapes here and so he got his lovely. Isn't that says
Skol those elements and and it's it's, it's radio, theatre, yeah. You know the the people. You often use these euphemisms like it's a movie in your head. Yes, it's a it's a film, that's going on between your ears, yeah but what it is. It's. It's it. Radio radio sure towards what existed before tat in a very kind of classic form so inch. That's what's amazing about this medium. Is that all these forms, which were the primary forms of entertainment? You know before any are now to back. The great give now, of course, is that we have mobility, which means it you're, not stuck, sir. in an arm chair glued to your radio, you can hear you can hear this anywhere and you guys record as a cast. Yet we record what we recorded as a cause. We record. I did I did all my c. I did mice my the scene with joy manila in front of me and I
Would you can usually very often you record on your own, be out of the scene was so kind of intense. There will be an olive of egg it was a one of the produces. He felt that was important, that we could see each other play off each other than and without that made a big difference, mirror difference and it's a it's a now causes all of you are now all episodes are available. Sure wherever you get your podcasts yeah just download and go ahead yeah enjoy Your drive exam We have had a timely that Jim. This is a thing. I'm I'm hearing this a lot now people are saying that they they loved their pont kafka's because it kind of it that they listen to when they come.
Oh yeah man, you know and and it's a habit that I've decided to get into now. I'm downloading podcast now and listening to the mahlum drive assure people jerry do at the gym. They do the commute and you'd secretly at work, then you're on busy day yeah definitely advise beka. What was great talking to you? Oh thank you mod. Likewise, that was a that was a that was funny or you are. Oh. You are great advice to that. One scene: you had the sort of high satire series of That movie did what he Adam. Just call you up yeah way about Adam collects. I've done some work for a done. You note somewhat before with with, funny or die. You know guys and and they are. He just called me and said you know, got two parts, the not big. but either one is yours. We are, and I looked at the script, I'd I'd. I love this group.
And I said, let me do the waiter yoke is that serve as us in an hour a literary ass. It. Let me do the waiter and I'll: do it without a credit neo, so it s a hopefully it'll, be a nice surprise and if it No, no one will blame me again, bob hoskins, Israel, that's right rule. They are so no credit now get credited nominal credits. What are you got them? Are you working on a movie now yeah, I'm a there's a couple of movies. In there I did a film called them. The devil has a name directed by edward James, Olmos, who's, who's, a chum and and that's that'll, be out as due out this year. And also movie called saint Judy, which show, with michelle, monaghan that some, where now we know it's going to be released round about middle of february and february, I played upon but I was also I also an executive producer when I was one of the executive producers on that maha. Ah, and
yes, it is there's a comic films in the and and and I'm working on a movie that I hope to direct later this year, have you directed before never Perhaps that's why no one's returning my phone calls I will persevere. Okay, it's somebody you always wanted to do or it is. It is, and I'm I'm I you know it's I've left it. I haven't left it too late. I didn't but I've certainly am you know. People say you ve never directly before the thing you can do as it will have been only enough movies to know that. I know what not to do. Let's put it that way either. I know I think I know how to avoid MR and I now had a runner up, and I know what what makes a day not go away, it's all about the dp. It's all about, The jeweller dp is all about your assistant directors write a d and d v yeah, that's it! Then you you just pretend that you don't let anyone see how confused and frightened you are and I try and then there was one different, a director I worked with. I said I said what, if I said if I was if I was to direct a film what would be
the one piece of advice, and he said always have a decision. When people ask what they, what you want them to do always have an answer. Even if it's the wrong one right harry, The worst thing you can do is kind go, I'm sure what you think, nobody. No! Yes, MR molina where'd, you want the camera there, even if they're totally the wrong place. Someone will say: are you sure you go now? I'm not sure here at least have your cause is still elusive. If you have, if you're, if you have, if you've made up your mind about something at least it it's reassuring right, surely know someone did John if man thanks my pleasure that was great. I learned some things that I didn't know about that scene. Dab genius was that again, Alfred is a you can see him in everything he's ever been in, which could take a lifetime, but he's also.
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