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Peter Fonda from 2018

2019-08-17 | 🔗

From Episode 930, Marc's conversation with actor Peter Fonda about childhood trauma, Easy Rider, and talking George Harrison down from a bad trip. Peter passed away on August 16, 2019.

This is an unofficial transcript meant for reference. Accuracy is not guaranteed.
So nice to see you thanks for comin, yes, my pleasure, I think this is my first podcast. Is that the first about that alright doesn't feel that unusual doesn't I think I miss you little cooler yeah I met you once well. You know, I remember what it was you'll, never remember, but I remember back in San Francisco, I don't know what you are plugging, but it was a radio show Alex Bennett Show in the morning alive radio show I expecting remember, but you had a nice leather jacket on. I remember complementing the weather check, I don't know, but when it would have been it probably would have been in the early 90s. Yeah, I could have been it could have been like six, maybe only seven. I don't know ninety seven when I was promoting newly skull, yeah man as if that was a big girl. Those are big thing that was like.
Back and you know what I never left. I know I know that they love to say he's back yeah. Well, I did you know I was living on. My own sailboat was eighty two foot by twenty foot of beam yeah for so many years, sailing around the Pacific, really oh yeah and don't you know everybody said. Oh, he just don't out of his head out there saying around and you don't pull over and park at night. That's right see you it's still early, yet we had to grab now we have gps system every grab, the section I'm celestial navigator, oh yeah, go ahead, make the shot on the movie back in the boat. Gabby fell, Gabby is done by me, but I mean it would seem that being out on the ocean is enough. I mean why would you need to be high on top of that? Oh yeah, that's the trip. Yet when did you start doing that while I began sailing a little boat when I was eleven, oh so it was in the family. It was something he always did. Yeah my dad
was in the navy here. So I had this little. It was called a catboat. It had Marconi Rig, which is you know, it doesn't have the gaff yeah and it was like fourteen feet long. Thirteen one slash two feet. Long yeah- and this was off the north shore of long island, place called Lloyd, neck and I'd say loud there and you really learned how to get as close as you could on the wind with a very difficult boat right oh yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. It made miss it's just way up for it. So you get a sense, yeah. You learn a lot about making way and not been get very close to the wind yeah, so that's start there and then he loved it. I loved it selfish here and then we went over to the medical and my father had it shipped over only problem was the french people wanted me to put a french flag on it because it was a nightmare
this is a buddy selfish. You know it's like a surf board with the sale. What do you mean indian flag on it? Is that a problem? Was it an international incident? No, I mean I just ignored them. Did you lived over there for awhile, with your family yeah, my father, my second step mother and my how many Jane fifty five stepmother is no forty. Three. Uh this for Maine, but he was married five times yeah and you know you and Jane in the second step mother were in the Mediterranean in France, the second step mother yeah it was in France. It was in France, it was cut from which I mean Picasso had so healthy head, oh yeah, and there was a swedish a sum school there. Yeah well he's swedish kids sure, including car logo. Duffy was now king and Sweet now that he was there, he was the kid and you were going to school there. I was no, he was. I was just
figure out how to steam. I keep my head above water in this God family yeah, but we would invite the kids down to the villa where we yeah. My dad would be gone with my second step mothers and that was very good. Yeah is good. When was gone, these kids, you swedish summer school over there and couple good looking gals and I'll get the stuff yeah. You must have gained fifty yeah. I, the seventeen yeah and at one point, there's this image coming. The hedge Greta Garbo really now Gustav is not. You know, Yeah probably still has no idea. Yet. This is great. Yeah she's got a baby capital idea in a big chair, cloth, robe yeah and she walked straight over said I'm going to go swimming now. I said yes, it's
you're perfectly fine and she just took off the York October totally absolutely by that time. When she talked to me yeah ghost I've realized it was Greta, Garbo, yeah, yeah, wow, jaw drop and she got in did fifty laps cut out, put her back, then went back. She was from John Gilberts Avila Nokia. All it was amazing. Stuff happened, and that guy, something that could talk about in a good way. Yeah there was a lot of real bad shift, was coined in terms of your family, oh yeah yeah, but what was it? The old man was just an abusive dude I know not really his. I think extraordinarily shy and he had a difficult time expressing love. Oh yeah, in the sense that he did, he became uncomfortable when he felt that he to put on some demand he had to respond here to some demand that wasn't really what was happening yeah, but
regardless of how tough things were different times I'll tell you what I grew up. The first. Eight years of my life yeah, I knew nothing about race or color yeah. I had no idea sure first african American High saw was Nat King Cole. I saw the first black man I seen at your house at my, so we had twelve acres out on tiger tail. Just went in, but up in the hills, yeah and that's It would come up here. Yeah one of them was this guy never seen him before. I never seen a black man before he thought remarkable. Looking guy, and then he smiled- and he was just around with everybody else- sure he was a guest yeah, but he said, down at the piano and began to play. This beautiful. I had to take piano lessons there looking at,
so left handed not looking at eighty eight keys of right handed it's yeah, but this guys he's doing he's smiling at me. His smile is just yeah splosion of Riot Ethan whitening and I was staring at him and he said. Do you play I said? Well, they make me, take lessons yeah, he got very. Is it you know, never look at playing an instrument like some is making you play it. Have you got to think you want to play it as it will serve? I'm very left headed there's a Yankees right at him. As he looked at me. He said, watch this. It crosses hand over the place, cow cow boogie, and then he taught me how to play cow cow, Boogie, Woogie, various when teaching teaching that raises the runners down in here. The ports on the left hand, yeah yeah right after the whole thing is on the left. Leg is such a fool and I only know him: it was Boogie Woogie and not marriage, adults and old. You know it's a little yeah yeah right, yeah, great lesson to learn. Well,
to tell him a little bit later that the first piano recital I had to do. The song I was playing was ladybug, ladybug yeah, and so as I was playing it, I wasn't singing yeah, but I was thinking that ladybug ladybug fly away home. Her house is on fire. Your children were burnt wo, that's terrible and in a sheer terror IRAN from the stage this little Recycle united five years older, so you're mine, but yeah. Second of like she rock a bye baby in the tree, tops yeah yeah. When the wind blows a trailer yeah, the kids going to win the race will falling out, and you will. I know what I don't like this idea folly right. I have to have a you have man. Why don't I'm glad to know that your dad was shot? Because I got a? I don't know the whole history of of your family go like there's that I'm? What
okay movie was that he did with Charles Bronson the one at the end, we stick the harmonic in his mouth. I can't remember, but it was like he had this look in his eye. He was the heavy your old man right. His name was frank, yeah yeah, just terrifying, and I'm like I mean I hope, that's not what they had to grow up with no, but you saw well yeah. I remember you know there were lots of famous people that were around all the time. Jimmy Stewart causes dear friend, and had been for such a long time. John Wayne, yeah Ward Bond, call Scott somebody some good people in westerns another time, one more. I remember coming down for breakfast and there was ward Bond and John Wayne yeah hanging out and we're having practice. We all get in the had a Cadillac A4 four door: Cadillac Convertible yeah,
cream, colored car with red leather seats. Yeah years later, I reminded him of his, my god, you remember that it oh yeah. I remember this and removed, and they were finish in a film called Fort Apache, oh yeah, which was John Ford Film, and it was four which version of customers step, yeah, yeah and my dad was Custer, but he was called Colonel Thursday and uh. So when people say when I was like what was it like growing up with your father, I said she ever see Fort Apache, Curl Thursday. That's what it was like because he plays is ramrod. Terrable person is he deserves, get killed in yeah man. I can't like plus you know what yeah that one lesson, no bigotry, no racism, I didn't know yeah. I had no idea sure so you so yeah. There was somebody very different in that right, but a person sure
yeah, so you didn't learn it, in other words, into hate right. So being as sort of insulated in a kind of Hollywood world you weren't, given any hate, never got it yeah you know, and we weren't that insulated and it away. We would see different people come in, they were all people may have to Maine Pedro the Gardner sure he spoke, different language. When I tried to learn to talk with him, but he could speak English too. I had no idea that he Mexican. It's just smoke differently, we all look alike, yeah, yeah, it's good when your kid and you can hold on to that mind. You know I mean we had a Japanese made and we hit her during the war. So she didn't have to go to detention. Cap, oh yeah. So of course I didn't know anything about that from I was, one one slash two when really toward. When my dad went to war. I was three years old and then he was in the Pacific as a sailor. Yeah he's already an actor right.
Oh yeah, I have been inaccurate, was very successfully had twelve acres of land up in it with him Brent, Yeah he's been around a long time right. Did we say at most During the war, they were called victory gardens. Everybody was encouraged to grow some food from themselves right. We had a truck farm, it was every vegetable you can imagine my dad made all the dirt through composting. Yeah. I thought his job, but I had no idea what he was doing yeah. I thought his job was making the best during the greater Ellie area, and it was really good Dirk, as we had great veggies right right, yeah. So like Do you live here? You have a house here. Wait I have I'm, I'm out call another building assignment at Westside. I looked and see the back of the Getty Villa oh yeah in and out and see the ocean in the Palisades. I think it'll castle in Mario, that's nice, so you don't have a place in Montana anymore. No, no! I decided you know what I say is I don't want to
The mountains anymore right, I don't want to see snow. I don't want to try to blow snow out of uh quarter mile long drift, it's ten feet high in the centre. Not more that I don't want to see the wind bringing dust in the logs of my house yeah. I don't. I don't want to wet a fly in the Yellowstone River it. I don't want it. However, if there's film in the camera in money, the bank, what time do you want me there right now flight very practical about that part so, and he grew up here, though, like at what point, because I've talked to guys like 'cause. You talk about your dad's friends, but you know you had a whole crew, two from the late 60s in the 70s that were equally, is you know, kind of imp and in the big spectrum of? Is this a movie oh yeah and counter culture and a lot of those? Is there going away to now yeah something about getting older? You lose more friends, but I know it's so sad right.
In a way. I know it's coming yeah. He right. We all know it's common people say to me all and how are you today yeah I'm alive yeah and they think I'm being cynical right right now, all the alternatives, sucks yeah, I'm on the right side of the graph yeah on. Although it's inevitable here at this moment, unacceptable right. So we keep trucking, that's right there. They are. So if the drive by hits me and I'm out, it's been a hell of a ride. Man right, he has been right, you that, but they did it like. I try. I try to get a sense of what what what what teaching about how he went about show business is that you know when your dad was around it was it did you just to like what three four studios and then, when you, like started coming up. It wasn't it's bigger, just a new generation of people, but it was still a small town kind of thing what it was and it must have been like it like everyone, I feel like there was a real community and everyone kind of knew, each other. Everyone who lives up in the 60s in the late 60s like you must have felt that,
like when things started to shift 'cause, you did a couple of straight up. What were your first movies Tammy and the doctor yeah yeah, then the pictures of war is Hell movie yeah, but it was like straight up: studio, movies, yeah, universal in Colombia. Right and then I mean so. You were just at that pivotal point where she had started to break apart right. You felt, though, and we should actually started breaking apart when I was six years old, but we don't want to get into it sure we can get into it or you don't want it. I promise you in two before I found that the name of what was fucking me up yeah, what post dramatic stress disorder we had no name to why I was so up really what's track to like from what it starts.
It starts when I was showing out of a barn window and fell eighteen feet to the ground, hard packed ground on my chin and broke my neck. I didn't know I'd broken broken until eighty five when it broke it. The second time really yeah. The older boys who were jealous is Henry Fonda son. I mean that's. How I was described, I had no idea who he was so that was hard identity to live up to whatever you never sense of. How big he was or what you know he didn't really yeah. I knew that he made movies- and I just didn't know how that worked. He never talked about it. They never talked about his job, yeah uh. We knew that he had friends, they're all making movies, but we weren't sure what movies we have to remember until do from forty. Basically, I was born then that worst years of my life, there was war, yeah, right
ration and all that yeah. So we had only a couple of friends that we could visit with right. There, Leland Hayward three children, she very good Sullivan. Who is my dad's first wife. This gets really weren't very and I have three kids, and so they were like our best friends. We were either at their house or they were at our house. He stayed friends with her all that time. Yeah and Leland had been his agent Leland sold his agents list to, Lew Wasserman and Jill Stein at MCA when they came out from Chicago yeah, and that was a bunch of incredible factors for watching was an agent before he was the head of his music, but it was uh. Music, audition, stuff yeah. They decided where they wanted to be was in LOS Angeles, and he wanted to make movies. You know I'm glad they did yeah so Those are your peers, those are the people that were hanging around and then
and then they three out of a barn, well, and I was sent away to school yeah. I was Austin powers and I was born big boy and I was in New York for eight one slash two weeks: yeah. There was nothing wrong with me: yeah we have ten pound baby boy yeah, but my father, when he heard about it, was hooping and hollering around the set of whatever movie was making, and I probably would know about it. I'd just prefer not to know what to say, but I've got a full back for his son right when I was. Ten years old, I was almost ten pounds still, so I flunk that one right. How did Kate snowball back now they wanted me to become more of a man how much it was six catches. Let me basically no impact me off to this boarding school, thank you? Can you nineteen forty, six and yeah not too far from home? For me, it was like the others
world well you're, living in New York. Then no, you know no. I was living here, but it was still and and we we lived in this beautiful, no all top area. A lot of sun feels area. There's enough veggies, as I've told you, and just great too this little school up into Pangarap, which is really weird to me was wondering. Why are we living like this through the floor? was like the outward bound kind of thing. Was it supposed to toughen you up? It was that kind of well, that's where they send it to tell me, but it was just a school where they are people in the industry are famous people drop their kids, oh yeah That's where you got, hurt, yeah and that's very attractive, post, traumatic, stress too. That's the beginning. It was compounded later that very year forty six was a hell of a bad year for this boy, yeah any.
Let me just say that I I flew back e with my mother yeah and I thought I was going to go to a hotel. I've never been in hotel at school and I look at this taxi cab be far out. You know, oh no right. What do I know and later I would find there are people in hotels, are come out and get your bags, but my mom had her little case and I had my little. You know small case in a Teddy bear yeah and I won a while. You know this call is Rick is, as far out right, walked up the stairs and then flatten it more stares into this. This the lobby right. It was just all these incredible floors. Remember my mother said to my kids. As I'm telling the story, I can actually see her yeah in the black dress, black hat and a white mesh veil. It was just kind of the the thing that Andrea.
As you said, you see right here, someone will come and get you and I watched you go. Click click click, her heels. I can hear them hitting the floor as you walked away and I didn't know. I see some measure yeah. Well, I don't mind waiting my Teddy Bear Hotel, and so we finally came along right. This way I got it. Elevator I've been in elevators before sure there. We took me into my hotel room, which was a funny green paint on it, not bad with his metal table that swung over the bed. A member of the table when I lost my tonsils, I was three years old when I took my tongue so far, you know you're in the hospital. I thought I remember this kind of bed why we there, because with those skinny, they thought that I had a tapeworm.
So all you have to do is to put two and two together figure. How are they going to figure out? If I have it sure? Where are they going to go looking to go digging around where yeah in your after you go, and so I was mechanically raped when I was six years old and John Hopkins Hospital. Fortunately, those guys are all dead now. Otherwise I would be a known murderer going to go and shift those those pitches I tell you that we strike too well yeah. They didn't give me a shot of anything I'd. Remember I see I'm into the details which really dressed my family nuts. He held on to all this. I don't want to do it, I just it's just there yeah I mean I wish I weren't holding on to it yeah, so it was two thousand four. I figured out hello. No, I was actually A psychiatrist said. Don't you know what's going on? I said no, I really don't know. What's going on, I'm really fuckedup and she said, is what it is.
These things happen to your mother died. When you were ten, you probably went on and on how she did know you can't that's big yeah. She died of suicide, but I didn't know it. Then I wouldn't find out about that until I was fifteen the first time then twenty where she died and then twenty five how she died. So every bit, every time I was being slammed again yeah yeah, there is no word yeah. She died in. Her name was never mentioned again in the house right YO man just shut it out, yeah yeah, and so that messed up a lot of shift in my life and then other things. You know either I'm very fortune to be here. I've got so many bullets yeah. What I was much. I have my 11th birthday in January, ninth, one thousand nine hundred and fifty one right. I was a Sunday and I was going trap shooting with two other young
or is my age, Tony Avery and read Armstrong and was on the Kresky estate in New York. So from Greenwich CT or did the craziest Dayton Read Armstrong? It brought this little pistol with the middle twenty five caliber single shot, but yeah. And so we wanted to shoot it, and I did I didn't understand the pistol thing. I understand rifles and shotguns So I put the shell in and you're supposed to click the opening to eject last descent cards here and then you put the new one: that's cocking the gun. So, instead of doing it smoothly, but keep in the hand of the barrel in hand on the handle, the pistol grip yeah. I just slapped it barrel to go yeah it did spider my hands and blew off right into blew off. The tip of my liver the top of my stomach and centered punched. My left kidney Jesus man so basically died. Three times on that operating table lost two,
slide. My heart stopped afuk and it's a wonder, timing, yeah, and met the doctor later. When I was twenty one, I went up and drove up to see him as was Charles Clarke, suite yeah and Doctor Sweet had told me that they saw this blood and they didn't understand about the tip of my liver being blown off and they just thought. Maybe my aorta Abdominal aorta was hit or my heart because in the when they were looking through to try to trace the right bullet was stuck on. And the end of my skin, I'm back, he had to be cut out. It was just lying flat on it and as they were, trying to trace the shot, the heart there,
it was the heart and they have down my order kept coming in because the hearts of 'em up it's a muscle that pumps yeah contracts, he asked Jackson, so the bullet hit my rib cage is told to me I mean I didn't know Right Clark, Sweet told me: it hit my rib cage and started tumbling, so the heart was just that part of the ventricle it was controlling. Contracting here, bringing everything lifting the aorta in the boat went flipping by that's called timing. When does that really play yet that play pretty heavy yeah right, but Here's the here! So I get out right now. Sixty five David Crosby call me images come on. We're going to oversee the Beatles error upon Benedict Canyon right now. Is it cool yeah man?
Do you want me to bring anything he's not on bringing it not know dominated a stability right? So I did I drove up. I haven't had any jag, I thought well come in that british racing green with your car pulled in. I need the password. I mean the hills are alive with the kids at best pretty frightening, but we took acid So you go to Crosby's house and you take gas and then we go to the house to be. Does it read it? Oh wow, how long were they here? I'm only try track in the day after okay, I'm putting that that day or two yeah yeah. Thank you know, there's a we go there and do that it's announce it really take acid yeah, all the good, the good G Ousley. No. I was not much better than that. However, it absolutely straight out of center, where send us so yeah, really good. The pharmaceuticals adds a little that was Crosby's. He had that yeah. He got it for got it. I just
yeah yeah and you know that's still: dropper yeah yeah search shirt yeah. You could actually put it in the palm of your hand away. Forty five minutes and he'll blast off yeah anyway, we've all done this deed. Can everybody sitting at this big? Let's say they should be doing that yeah, but this kind of a judgment I'm not going to call yeah. Finally, because we came and found me yeah for some reason, he should find you gotta go talk to George nothing, so it wasn't well. He thinks he's dying. I said or cause that's what this drug is all about. You know and your brains trying to stop the effect right, but actually it's you're cutting loose and you're going to go out of freewheeling yeah tour of your brain handle it and then let so it sound to Georgia, Georgia, city with John at his table and and outside area. We are disregarding the screaming kids. I said: we've got to prove that we're here and there not right.
But they were killing people schedule was the oldest guy there right. That's why I'm sent on this journey of Goldman's in our with George, so take care of Georgie flipping out he's flipping and I went down. I said George, you know when you take this drug. What happens is it's all cutting loose in your brain doesn't want that. So your brain is hanging on and telling you I'm dying to. Can you stop yeah, but don't do that? Just take brass, just relax. Like George, I know what it's like to be dead here, yeah. I've got. My heart is stopped here three times so lost too much blood and I'll tell you it's just really cool. There's nothing. I know there's no light, there's no tunnel and there's no people just nothing's, really nice and I'm here to tell you about it. So just let it go because I know what it's like to be dead right. You know I mean when I was a boy in my I think we're
really all right yeah, but you know everything was right, but this was a mistake. It was an accident yeah. Alright, now we thought I'd tried to commit suicide. George, I hadn't it was a stupid, stupid exit for little boy, meaning was. I was just oh boy, but in everything was alright, but an Lennon looked at me. He said what the fuck you, who put all that shit in your head. You know, I know what it's like to be dead. You make, I feel, like I've never been born. I looked in that far out yeah, let it go and the next year outcomes revolver with she said. I know what it's like to you got. It was like to be said and you're making me feel like I never when I the boy. Everything was right, so it'd be part of it. Aw man, man, you landed right, but the way I mean yeah, that's pretty amazing, but you also directed Easywriter so well, I know
I hired hopper to directly and that part that I hired him is what really pissed him off. You should have hired me, but you wrote it right: yeah, yeah, yeah, So, like you Dennis, did some very clever stuff. In there he did all the stuff with Jack talking, Venusians shirt and all that basically, the rest of it was so I could live. But if you six thousand five hundred and sixty five you're doing the Sandoz acid. So you know that's before the ship blows open down here, it's before it's before the, what six thousand eight hundred and sixty nine, where everybody's doing it right, you're ahead of the curve oh yeah. We do work that we deal with Leary Ortisei or any of those guys knew Keziah Nullary. But I really wasn't on the same wave like I was closer to key easy than it was to live yeah in terms of sort of like get out in it, not don't hold up yeah it out in the get out and do it yeah right, yeah, don't closet anything yeah, yeah yeah! I was all for that. One
had learned that I want to do this as a job. That means acting vacuum, acid. No, no! As a child. I guess it was a trip for me to get there. It wasn't just because my dad was in it at all right sure. He never said one word to me about that or right yeah. It was my discovery that all I really like this in terms of wrangling. What was going on in the culture in him and sort of like I, I I I have to assume that you didn't realize that that easy rider is going to blow up like it did right. No, I just knew that. I was going to make money with because it wouldn't cost me a lot to make that that was, and I thought that the tail was really commercial visually, impartial, yeah, oh yeah, sure yeah, Tyrod story. Well, yeah, I mean so. I was in Toronto on and I is a promoting. The film that Nicholson had written called the trip that Carmen direct. It was about taking lsd, dealing with press,
so I have a custom made for a double breasted suit: yeah Custom Shirt, Hermes tie really looking fine, no shoes and no socks. So I sit in a room and its share. There's lights people come into the room where the talk to me yeah our take me for radio whatever it is right, the first thing they come in the room. I just decked out till lines here and she said: well, they see the bare feet and that stops it and they lose their interview. My interview, I can say that the book I want to promote the film and then next that was the trick yeah because they couldn't handle that image whi. Does it have any shoes or socks it overtakes their minds right, yeah, yeah, so the first day I was there. There was a lunch with one thousand two hundred people, maybe a bit more
all distributors and exhibitors yeah in Canada, and I was there with it at the a I p table, which was not what it was and up. There was a big under table with all the vips on it and then a Dyas, We have been talking and I'm going to check everything out people looking at my feet, of course, Maya and this little short guy comes up and gets on the mic and he's he's uh LBJ's guy. In the motion picture. He was the head of the Motion Picture Association of America, Jack Valenti. He was then back then just just begin. Ok, he was introducing himself. Oh yeah, ok, he says you know, I'm the guy, the guy and look and out at me on the floor is as it's time we
stop making movies about? This is sounding like evangelical making movies about motorcycles, sex and drugs and more movies like Doctor Dolittle, which cost twenty seven million dollars, and he started this little launch by saying. My friends and you are my friends. He said it twice. Why I don't know I'm there may be a second time. Maybe they didn't think we heard him, as That's my tour. I go back to my motel, which was called the lake Shore Motel at that time, real city joint I said, so: no more sex drugs and motorcycles for output. That guy that's. Why now I have a job which is signing these black and white eight by 10s, and we didn't posted, so everything had a little piece of paper. This guy on sixteen theaters he's got two daughters, and now I would say, whoever to ever and best wishes or whoever piece right, Peter Fonda and then came one of these eight by 10s come
comes up in I'm looking at it, and I know what the picture is in that eight by ten form yeah in the middle, as maybe two inches of fully silhouetted motorcycle with two guys on it. Let's see who they are because the sun's bouncing all we're doing is writing it meatpacking, Bruce Dern and running along the Smit Trail in Venice Beach. It's a trick It looks like we're riding on sand, but I've looked at that. And I thought who in marketing pulled. This is a subject for me because I'm from you know, dear Betty best wishes. Peter Fonda, where the hell is he what movie was it from? It was from wild angels? Oh wow yeah. I looked at it and they go. That's it It's not a movie about a hundred Hells angels on ALS angels funeral. It's two guys riding across John Ford's W yeah
my address to guide the coin e yeah they're going EAST. Where are they going to start your journey to the e as a little Hermann Hesse Nod at school, going to east and they're going to Florida to retire and ok us what happens? there and I've got these guys on motorcycles, of course yeah and they get there and they get whacked right because they don't look right. They got long, hair right, yeah, ok, that's beautiful! Now had to back it up to make it work, and then I got it back to the beginning, we're bringing from Mexico or bring in a white powder. We don't see what it is where I want. The moral is to have the roughest time deciding about that and you didn't you didn't name it in your mind: either no white powder white powder right Dennis, probably promise me it would be real cold, but it was powdered sugar man that should burns in your nose. No good. You know in the cameras on pin my eyeballs yeah and
right. That was the point, and after I got it all together with a beginning, a middle and an end here and the journey yeah and what we do and what we can't do. We can go and eat in restaurants. We can't we're not allowed to be in motels all this shit. All this. It's like racial profiling, sure and we're going to see what's happening on in America yeah. I knew what that last bit for the beginning of what I was going to do at the end, that guy in that truck man yeah. But you know the idea enter, but I knew that this is a big hit. I thrown sevens yeah and then I threw in between my legs, still send over my back in the tub. It didn't matter who I called up hopper it's four hundred and thirty in the morning in Toronto yeah and I called him up- and I said, listen to this- I had wake and him I know that, but that's all rising was enough. Well,
But again I don't know it's not a call. I think, like a guy, didn't sleep much to me, so I I am told the story. Yeah, that's really great man. What do you do with it? I said: well, I figure you directed or produce it will both right in star in and we can save some money. That way you want me to direct it sure man, I mean you have the passion, you know it. You know framing better than I do this. Is you understand camera better than I do absolutely you're such with us? We can do this, oh man, I'm so glad you called, because I was never going to talk to you again. We don't want to necessarily go back and explain that. It's alright be writing about what happened he stormed out. We had a he wanted to direct this album that I was going to make human tequila or is my guy and record yeah, and he wanted to direct the direct album produce it.
You know this is what he says come to my house. I want to drink, I said: Dennis you don't direct albums, you produce in your range right. That's what you wanted play on the Magento direct them yeah I mean he started blowing off. Everybody steals my ideas that can't believe that everybody steals line thinking every I can't put it on and on until I found out. I have to stop this year so for this it was a real to reel Sony that look like it was. An Ampex is higher great and I just picked that circle. He he ha yeah. I threw it on the parking floor it broke. I said when you can fix that yeah the only direction album that was it I can leave you did you see what you just did Papa John's. I mean anything that great man made and you did it yeah. I can talk to you in a fucking child. I'm I'm never going to talk to you again, I'm I'm out of here. He walked out and I'm
but you know I don't wanna talk to your fucking child. I can tell him I'm walking away and never want to talk to you again to be so glad you called because I was never talk to you again. It's hilarious. Did you guys stay friends, things became attached, stretched yeah, he out of control during the filming yeah He stayed out of control for a, but when he leveled off did you ever reunite. I try our really thought I was successful from time to time yeah, but I guess, when you have, he that I cheated him on I have tape of him being interviewed. He said some that he was in a cadillac with his then wife and he said yeah cheating me out of millions and millions and millions of dollars. You know come on. You couldn't see that I held up three fingers there any rate. I thought, oh great. If he helps me find it I'll get.
A million half hour at it looks like you talking to me and he and he said that he and he along wrote, easy rider. So it's just. Big mega man yeah played heavy on. It was too bad and the blow too I imagine for awhile, oh yeah, but I mean we tried to get him stop drinking yeah, so he was going AA meetings or, but he added value, Coke's pocket solving one problem right then, and then he he got rid of that problem, but the adventure man. I mean the fact that you kind of be a blue out this. You did easy rider, you change the face of a of filmmaking and culture and everything else and then you're the guy you're that so then you sort of like near the biker guy, which film I did. I bought this script. Yeah and I didn't know I was going to produce inactive it yeah.
This call a hired hand yeah and, as I begin reading it more and more, I saw more more of the stuff that yeah that I'd want to see and then I'll have the didn't. Do this all having to that of a rather. The great will shoot over here and I'll be good, because I know it's there and suddenly stop those which is again I'm the rude producer. I can't tell the directory how to direct right God, I'm going to have to direct this thing. Could you could visually see it right it first reading it was visual imprint on me that it was as strong as a visual imprint of the story I made up in Toronto called later easy right. Yeah, we didn't know what to call it first right. So it's it's interesting, though, that the western was still around in here in Warren Oates. You did a lot of movies at Warren, Oates huh, I loved him. He was a great guy was like fine actor. He had great, very easy. We going funny guy, we got along so well and he didn't have to die. No, not like what about Nicholson. You guys, still friends, we are I don't see him enough. I in fact have to call
check on him and see how he's doing yeah because I can imagine, like you know, Harry Dean's gun. I know man well, as we said earlier, as we get older, we lose anymore friends, but I, like you, know like I always ask guys like you know he, but there are guys you stay friends with you know throughout the time huh you know I, through the whole ride. Yeah. That's nice Yanez you know, I still know Mcguinn and Crosby. Oh yeah he's I had talked to Crosby at my old house for a couple hours I think, stayed for the whole day. If I let him yeah yeah, it is yeah, it's a real sweetheart and the Glen is too, and you know going yeah how bout coming going talk to him. I haven't seen him in quite a few years now pretty big money wasn't now. You know you too well artistic,
and that has its own story of how to how to get into the nineteen others for the Pts part of it. But just this book that I'm writing, you write a book now yeah and again, no more yeah, because all what's happened since ninety eight better. What's the angle well, just in the what I'm talking about in Pts starts off with the title objects in mirror are closer than they appear It's all about your past in the motto for Pts people who are really sucked out by it is the only good day was today. Yeah. Did you try the mdr? I tried everything. How's! It affect you. What are the manifestations overview on a day to day basis? What PTSD I mean once you? Never, I never know.
See a commercial that does a certain thing and it would just breakdown crying full on full. On and And I've been after this for quite awhile. I just didn't ten. What I had. I thought I was nuts and I better keep it to myself their level of with the net on me. It's also sensitivity right. I mean it's like a a like an over sensitivity, almost right here or is it more of like you, don't know like it's just such a trigger thing so been triggers it yeah and as as it could be, a commercial here could be so, but I see on the street, yeah it'll be a phone call. I get anything I hear you know. If it deals in a certain thing that I get caught on yet done, it's not a problem, Yeah, so it so it you're gonna to discuss like you, so you once you found out, that's what you had to kind of kind of ran that threw you back loaded into your whole sort of past and well. I I already was dealing with my past yeah
every day, without understanding. Why, right now, I understood understand why why you hung up on the things you were hung up on know how I got hung up. I mean I didn't look. Those things is hanging me up yeah. But what was going wrong with my mother yeah later when I was trying to resolve certain crisis in my life about the mechanical rape. I talk to people who knew my mother drain a particular time and these two women. Eulalia Chapin. Ann Marie and Parker, and they find a lot of stuff that went on and what happen about your mother's darkness. But my mother artists in my father's short sightedness. Apparently he used to cuff me on the head or slap
yeah. Well, I didn't finish my meal right. Hence my going to Johns Hopkins have looked for a tapeworm right. Create people mentally and of course it was one thousand nine hundred and forty six. So I guess I got a little last lack there, but not a lot because it fucked me up, but how much of the you know like the psychological trauma, do you think sort of like you know, compelled you to if push the envelope with with drugs and doing all the other shit? Well, I figured I was Ben already, so we're trying to lose. Do you looking for solutions? You think in retrospect know on my third trip. I really expanded my brain a lot and get in there, but still didn't see the causal effect What was causing it, I just I mean it intel I was fit fifteen or sixteen to realize what this term nightmare that I have every night was yeah, not errors. Every night
that was the tapeworm. It's really an gunshot and mothers, death, yeah sure so forth. Remember on my 50th birthday, my Mister Jain wrote Maine a fax. I was making a movie in Switzerland and it came back great until the bar, like I came back to the hotel and there was sitting in the fax machine, this fax from my sister, and it was a poem and she she does the glass half full the glass half empty and it was kind of a but my response to that was my. My sister didn't get it. My class was overflowing, with myriad of colors it all over the fucking place. You know it hurts when yeah yeah- yes, and I never thought of this halfway I was all the way in yes. Why is this doing this?
about colors, so yeah it was overflowing and it wasn't half full or half empty, and maybe I was half empty, but I felt that was full yeah man do you get along with her still yeah? That's good yeah she's so into what she she does. Yeah and busy she's busy yeah. You know, she's got her. Children and she's got grandchildren now, but no tension. You you're just you're cool yeah, that's good. We have to be yeah yeah yeah, I have to think that way. I thought you were great in this in this little movie, even though you had a couple of scenes, always nice to see you and you always pop up places. You know interesting about that fact moment when I meet, former Christopher yeah, because I've known him that in real life church I was eighteen, I was able to to throw my hands into that situation and he just instinctual. It
is this great shakespearean actor share man. You know just in the Americas on film or stage, and he raps anywhere. It's just so I'm using this history have her knowing it for so long that hung out with him a lot. But your old man did not real No, my first demo no and he was a wonderful young guy lunatic, I loved it yeah, and so here I am this. Fellow that I knew I just my arms around him. It's just you can see it on film. There's something about the way we hold on. We just greet each other that makes ha yeah you relax everything's fine here. I've been waiting for this bottle of wine. Now is a good time to verify. And then we're down there vaping up yeah. I thinking
so far out. Yeah I mean I could feel that like there's a looseness to it, you know to find his shakespearean actor in the Americas on stage or screen yeah. It's silly pot, easy rider, hello. That's a hook at the scene, I yeah and you and you like your health- is good. Everything else on my health is great. You know yeah man, but my metal of this, but I you know I don't find as much darkness I'm getting just do it in a sense. So it's easier for me to stop by from getting caught still barbed hooks, not catching release and we should be catching release. But I do have a great deal of empathy for our soldiers funny men and women, and you know I didn't see a friend next to me, get his head blown off yeah, I didn't lose an arm and leg. I almost lost my life but yeah I'd dodge many bullets here and
so maybe I don't have the right to have a tough time. I mean I never had worried about where I was going to eat or sleep. And still you gotta problem you're dealing with it. Yeah, I now know about the the tape or something yeah. I found out the reason my mother was there. She was getting a hysterectomy because she was a bleeder. She had heavy heavy and she was, I now know. Postpartum you don't know you know, and I took psychology in college- I figured I better find out some more about me because is missing so that, and that was with the track via the suicide to the post partum, or I think that that's part of the while and and part of of my dad, no yeah. You know what is the divorce all he wanted to. He won now I wanna marry younger woman, my first mother, whom I adore, yeah, yeah
I could look at that. Whole thing is saying she's the reason my mother killed herself right, but it's not that and I could go spit on my father's ashes yeah, but that's not it either right, It's trying to understand that and forgive that yeah, but before you can get to forgiving that you have to forgive yourself yeah how you doing with that. That's the hardest part yeah man! Well, you know you seem pretty. Hey how many actor I act like I seem pretty good. No, you know, I think you heard a time. You know how you doing I'm alive, alternative really sucks, although inevitable at this particular moment unacceptable. Exactly well, I'm glad you're alive was great. Seeing you I don't want to hold you up, because I know you gotta go get pictures or whatever I was told hard out, and then it's only a matter of time. Before coming someone comes to the door yeah.
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